BEE-L Archives

Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology

BEE-L@COMMUNITY.LSOFT.COM

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
Jerry Bromenshenk <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:11:45 EDT
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (64 lines)
Since my name keeps coming up with respect to this issue -- the study  
presented in Canada was a very detail oriented, intensive set of trials,  carefully 
orchestrated, and expensive set of trials.  No one questioned  issues such as 
did the investigators set out to thoroughly investigate the  issue, have a 
good statistically based sampling design, or the reputation of the  lab, etc.
 
But, as I remember, this study was done because beekeepers were  concerned 
about bee losses in the area and use of imidacloprid.  Many of  the soil samples 
showed detectable residue levels, with only a trace in a few  nectar/pollen 
samples.  The conclusion was that imidacloprid was not  reaching the bees, or 
at least not in toxic doses, therefore there was no  evidence for bee losses 
relative to use of imidacloprid.
 
My concerns with this study were:
 
1) Sample size - the study used many subplots.  It was easy to get  large 
soil samples, but even after laborious removal of pollen and nectar from  bees, 
the resultant sample size was very small.  
 
Small enough that issues of representativeness and detection limits needed  
to be addressed/reported,
 
2)  Routes of exposure - the assumption seemed to be, the major route  of 
entry must be from soils through plants to nectar and pollen, then to  bees.  
That's not necessarily true -- dust borne materials such as would  occur with 
contaminated soils tend to re-entrain on windy days, deposit on  plant surfaces, 
bees, etc.  And, as we've shown in several publications,  particulates are 
adsorbed onto the bodies of bees, and the amount on the bees  varies by particle 
size and electrostatic charge on the bee.  
 
This route of entry was not considered, yet our data says that in cases  like 
this, it may be the principal route of exposure,
 
3) Bees were collected, but at the time of the presentation, no bees had  
been analyzed and there did not seem to be any intention to do so.  
 
Until body burdens of the target insect are examined, the question of  
exposure remains unanswered.
 
4) GLP extends to the field, its not just an internal lab issue.  The  
responsibility for this rests with the primary investigators, not necessarily  the 
lab.  Field blanks and field spikes should be part of a well designed  study to 
determine whether anything is lost or gained during handling,  transport, 
storage, and processing.  There are too many places along this  path where 
materials of interest could be lost (tissue degradation, chemical  breakdown, 
sublimation) or gained (contamination).
 
Everyone involved was trying to do a good job.  Elaborate steps were  taken 
to get uncontaminated samples - plastic gloves, etc.  Someone sat in  a cooler 
to remove the pollen pellets, obtain nectar from bees.  Samples  were sent to 
a GLP lab.  All well and good.  But, the aforementioned  issues were not 
addressed, at least not at the time of the presentation Allen  references.
 
Jerry



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

******************************************************
* Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at:          *
* http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm  *
******************************************************

ATOM RSS1 RSS2