I do not like or use the term RAM. I too find it offensive. Years ago when I was learning to be an LC (1989?), the IBclc who mentored me used this word and action on moms. She really did RAM the babies on. I thought this was the only way; boy did I need a more thorough education. From here I went to the hands off approach, but now I do what I judge to be the best approach in the situation. But this never involves RAMMING. My motto is Live and Learn. Reading like crazy and being on Lactnet helps greatly in this department. Laurie Wheeler, RN, MN, IBCLC Violet Louisiana, s.e. USA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html