Ulvi Yurtsever <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >I thought beethoven means, literally, "beet field." Am I wrong? No, I don't think so, but who am I? The experts disagree. The greater part subscribes to the beet field explanation, but some dissidents think that the name has something to do with the word "bet", meaning "better". Their explanation of the name is "better maedow". Why? They point to the name of a part of the Netherlands: Betuwe. It's some kind of island between the river Maas (Dutch spelling) and the river Waal (also Dutch spelling) and maybe one of the first places were the Batavians (the ancestors of the Dutch) settled. If they are right, well, then Beethoven's ancestors were Dutch, not Flemish. But I don't think so. I agree with the beet field explanation and Flanders. The 16th-century Beethovens were Flemish farmers and as far as I know the name is still existing in Flanders, but, also as far as I know, never a Dutch has been born with the name Beethoven or related names. To this day the Dutch/Flemish word "biet" means "beet" and the word "hof" (plural "hoven") points not only to the garden, but also to the buildings. BTW, Thayers gives an interesting list of the various spellings of the name, among them even the spelling "Piethoff". Regards, Joyce Maier ([log in to unmask])