Satz writes this gem:

>I want to emphasize that I have nothing against the technical levels
>of these groups, just their desire to exude some kind of "hip" persona.
>There's a time for sophmoric activities and a time for music - in my world,
>they are mutually exclusive to one another.

Beethoven and Haydn did not think they were exclusive of each other.

Stirling S Newberry
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