Satz writes this gem: >I want to emphasize that I have nothing against the technical levels >of these groups, just their desire to exude some kind of "hip" persona. >There's a time for sophmoric activities and a time for music - in my world, >they are mutually exclusive to one another. Beethoven and Haydn did not think they were exclusive of each other. Stirling S Newberry [log in to unmask]