I believe that the company did not put a filter into the P/S because of the life expectancy of the motor. This pump is warranted for 12 months and I've had a couple of moms tell me recently that they saw a difference in suction at about 16 months. So probably, the company expected a mom to use it for a year or so and then to notice a gradual failing of the motor. What they didn't expect, was moms to use it for 2-6 months and then pass it on. Just my observations! Jacie in Albuquerque, New Mexico where summer is finally arriving *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:33:39 +0300 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Esther <[log in to unmask]> Subject: baby baths in Israel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my pet peeves......the bath. I will try to be serious.......I was scolded by E.A. for being too silly. In our hospital babies are being allowed to remain with the mother longer and longer in the L&D which means that they are taken to the nursery within the first hour and a half after birth as opposed to the first ten minutes. They are put under grillers until their turn comes to be washed. We can have as many as 13 new babies at a time, so the length of time varies. Then comes the "bath," shower actually. The babies are washed under the tap in the sink, sort of like a lettuce... first the back and then the front, and then the head is held under the tap. I have seen more than one baby aspirate water. They scream and I am sure are water traumatized forever. I am unable to watch this procedure to this day and the few times I have been asked to help with the baths, I refuse to bathe them that way. Rationalization? They are bathed so soon because that is the way it has always been done. No one thinks about HIV here , so that is not the issue. I wanted to bring a little plastic tub into the teaching room to let moms learn how to bathe the babies, but it is not allowed because of the issue of cleaning the tub between each bath. The babies are bathed every morning right before my breastfeeding class which means that most babies sleep through that feed because we all know that a bath like a car ride is like general anesthesia for a baby. For babies who need to be assessed by me before release, we learn alot about rousing techniques!! I have mentioned to the staff that it might be a good idea to wash the babies at night........dream on!! It has always been done in the morning, and will probably continue. So there you have it......how Israeli babies spend their first few hours of life. Esther Grunis,IBCLC ( trying to be serious and hating it!!) Tel Aviv, Israel mailto:[log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:34:50 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: gima <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Pump sharing & dirty pumps In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" >I am not a healthcare professional, but after reading all this >information about the crud, yeast, and mold that builds up in a pump, I >think it begs the question of how safe it is for the PRIMARY user and >her baby. If a pump's design is inherently unsanitary, maybe it isn't >such a great design. > >Just because it's my personal crud doesn't mean it's safe for it to come >in contact with my baby's food. >Just a thought. > And a great thought!! And with the CDC Patti Carroll's post about Medela's telling the MD that they have no studies, just CYA recommendations, we can begin to look at this differently. How many of our cautions are based on "Their concern was the potential lawsuit." By the way, Patti, thank you for telling us about our being blessed with 2 Patti Carrols. I'll bet that you two are unique on this list. Right?? Pat Gima, IBCLE Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA <color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>mailto:[log in to unmask]</color> *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:53:03 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sandy Hess <[log in to unmask]> Subject: "Cows Udderly Agree" Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have e-mailed Chick-fil-A with the following proposal for World Breastfeeding Week (greatly abbreviated for Lactnet): For the week or so leading up to WBW, and during that week, please use food tray covers with the following ad: 2 cows, possibly "nursing" their calves, and the caption "Cows Udderly Agree: Human Milk is Best for Babies. World Breastfeeding Week, August 1 - 8." On the paper tray cover, on the front or back, list benefits of breastfeeding (which I supplied) to baby, mom, and governmental and health care financial resources. I also said that I would send out a call throughout a variety of organizations which support breastfeeding to eat a meal at Chick-fil-A during WBW (they have salads, etc. for any vegetarians), possibly on a certain day. I also discussed the positive PR, etc. Also proposed was a suggestion that they print the ad on t-shirts so families could order them through the CFA catalog that week or around that time. I am alerting Lactnuts at *this*time so you can e-mail CFA from their website @ http://www.chick-fil-a.com/content/feedback/feedback.htm and send a BRIEF message: "please adopt the 'Cows Udderly Agree' Project. you can count on my family of (#) enjoying a meal at your restaurant during World Breastfeeding Week, to help defray your costs in supporting the education of mothers on this vital health care issue." If you are would be willing to purchase a T-shirt, please say so. At this point DO NOT send a LONG letter -- I've done that! (and with all typos fixed before sending it!) :) Just let them know you will support the campaign. Let others know, so they can send an e-mail, too. Thanks, and keep your fingers crossed! I will keep everyone on Lactnet informed of the progress. Sandy Hess *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:52:49 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: gima <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: gentian violet In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" >A mom ask me something that has never before occurred to me, if we use >gentian violet on mucus membranes (baby's mouth), and on broken skin >(mother's nipples) why is it not used on the baby's bottom? I think that it is Dr. Jack Newman who recommends mixing GV with a zinc oxide cream and applying it to baby's diaper area. It stains fingers, of course, but my clients have been creative in getting around that. They mix it with either Desitin, J&J zinc oxide cream, or Balm X. Of course, one could make a dilute solution of GV and water and rinse baby's bottom. >Also, if the baby had a rash on its bottom that cleared with over the counter >yeast medication quickly, and has not other signs of thrush in her mouth, >except the white tongue. Now I know white tongues don't mean thrush, all the >time. But if it is normal then why don't all BF babies have white tongues? No, these aren't "easy" question. As to the white tongue, some people claim that white tongue doesn't indicate yeast overgrowth, but I believe that it does. It's just that sometimes it doesn't bother baby nor mother's nipples. It is just a low-level yeast imbalance, so it is not treated. (I do believe that it is not optimal health, though, for one to have a white coating on her tongue.) But if there is yeasty bottom, sore nipples, white tongue, or poor feeding (short, frequent) in a baby who had been feeding well, then anti-fungal measures are in order. And as the yeast problem is resolved the white on the tongue recedes, from front to back, to a nice pink tongue again. One of the first signs of recurrence of yeast overgrowth in a baby is the return of the white coating on the tongue. It can fully return overnight. Also there can be a white tongue and red bottom with no other symptoms in mother or baby until.... something tips the balance further and we get the call about full-blown yeast overgrowth. Pat Gima, IBCLC Milwaukee Wisconsin <color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>mailto:[log in to unmask]</color> *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:02:11 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: baby warmers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and i was told by a nurse here that "the mom can have the baby for kangaroo care as soon as he has spent half an hour under the warmer, then she can hold him for a while, but then he has to go back under the warmer." nothing more infuriating than someone using the words but unclear on the concept. but then, if we don't separate the mom and baby before successful nursing can get started, and if we don't make it clear to the mother that the nurses *have* to do these various things, then how else would we make it clear to her that she is incompetent to take care of her own child and needs to do exactly as she is told to do by the many different and contradictory people who will be seeing her over the next couple of days? who does the baby belong to, anyway? carol brussel IBCLC specializing in asking the questions *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:56:13 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: bathing newborns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, heather, since you asked again, i am afraid i must say that it seems to me to be because of a sort of revulsion about "bodily fluids" (got to wash "that stuff" off the baby, after all, look where it's just been) that also relates to the concept of breastmilk being "yucky" because it comes out of a body. here are two things that recently happened to clients of mine (separate people); one mom's baby did not latch on "immediately" on the delivery table, and when shoving his little face onto the nipple did not work, the nurses helpfully dripped formula on the mother's breast to entice him. (i am not sure i can even allow myself to start writing what i think about THAT). the second mom was told that her baby could not hang around to "try" breastfeeding because it was the hour at which baths were given in the nursery and if she did not let them take the baby to get his bath RIGHT THAT MINUTE he wouldn't get one for twenty-four hours. god forbid that a new baby, still shiny from amniotic fluid, should go lie upon his sweaty but happy mother and drink bodily fluids from her! okay, so somebody show me some great scientific studies proving that a bath is really crucial, and if so, then why aren't all those dirty babies in heather's part of the world suffering terribly? carol brussel IBCLC laura nevada lactation denver colorado *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:46:58 -0600 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Jerry & Jacie Coryell <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: P/S MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; boundary="OYbWSXNRHUcLWPddaNMESQLYVbVXCW"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I keep seeing that many think the P/S is $300. Suggested retail is $277, discounted everywhere to $250. It's only a $50 difference, but by telling everyone that it is $300, it's misleading. Jacie in Albuquerque, New Mexico where I have to compete with internet sales that don't charge sales tax and give free shipping! *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:24:24 +0300 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Esther <[log in to unmask]> Subject: dirty babies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <DON'T LET THE HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES TOUCH THE BABY!!!!! > Brilliant idea!!! <Call me lazy but I could see no reason to subject my babies to this. > I worked for many years with a pediatric dermatologist who advised parents NOT to bathe newborns daily for the first few months of life. They need the protective layers that nature provides!! He suggested bathing no more than three times a week, and most parents were happy to follow his advice. By the way that doc was the best authority in Israel on breastfeeding. Guess who educated him!! Unlike most docs, he read every article I gave him and read Ruth Lawrence cover to cover and could recite word for word. Results: he was the most popular ped in the country and his clinic was overflowing!! Esther Grunis, still trying to be serious and reading Lactnet instead of preparing a lecture on bf in the NICU. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:46:17 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Lucy Towbin <[log in to unmask]> Organization: ADH Subject: Pushy about breastfeeding? Ester, your situation is very different from mine. You're in Israel and I'm in Arkansas, USA. You're in a hospital and I'm in a maternity clinic. You have lots of women wanting you to help with breastfeeding and I have some that are interested prenatally and many that aren't. That said, I do want to comment that sometimes it is easy to assume someone doesn't want to breastfeed from her comments if you don't ask enough questions. For example, a few months ago a 20 year old single pregnant woman was in clinic with her mother (who she lives with). When I asked about breastfeeding she gave me one of the general "I just really don't want to" answers. Her mother then interrupted with a horror story about trying to breastfeed this young woman and her twin. She told how extremely sore she got and how the hospital "squeezed my breasts in an iron machine" when she was engorged. I cringed at her description and assumed her daughter 's chances of breastfeeding were next to nothing. Last week I called to see if she'd had the baby yet and how they were doing (I'm a social worker, too, so I follow-up with some women whether or not they are breastfeeding). We discussed the birth and the baby, etc. Then she volunteered that she was breastfeeding. I might not have asked. I ended up making a home visit because she said she was very sore. It turned out that although she lives with her loud and negative mother, she has a mind of her own and decided to do what was best for the baby. Also her twin sister has breastfed five children, which they didn't tell me at that first visit! So I realized that sometimes I don't ask enough questions and stop too soon when I get a negative response about breastfeeding. -Lucy Towbin, MSW, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:47:39 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: latch problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry my post was accidently sent before I finished. Wanted to say that doc wants mother to retrain her bladder by urinating every hour for a week, then every hour and a half, then every 2 hours. Mother already feesl like there is no time in her day for her two year old and newborn and now she has this added dilema. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Gerri, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:10:36 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: heather <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: baby warmers In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Carol writes: >but then, if we don't separate the mom and baby before successful nursing can >get started, and if we don't make it clear to the mother that the nurses >*have* to do these various things, then how else would we make it clear to >her that she is incompetent to take care of her own child and needs to do >exactly as she is told to do by the many different and contradictory people >who will be seeing her over the next couple of days? who does the baby belong >to, anyway? > >carol brussel IBCLC >specializing in asking the questions > And just what would the nurses *do* all day? That's a serious question, in fact (as yours are, Carol, I know). I already indicated that in the UK , bedside care of the baby (inc all assessments and so on), no bathing, no routine blah blah blah...and the mother being caregiver from the very start is *cash and resources-driven* rather than inspired by a devotion to breastfeeding support. Undoubtedly, your maternity units could manage with fewer staff if the nurses didn't have to do all this capering about with gloves and bathing (and those poor little Israeli babies....what a terrible ordeal...) and testing. Sheesh. What a palaver. And no one wants to be out of a job. Of course, they could all be re-trained as lactation consultants and breastfeeding supporters..... And then they might be doing something *useful* : ) Heather Welford Neil NCT bfc Newcastle upon Tyne UK *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:59:16 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: wendey <[log in to unmask]> Subject: the bath In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My two children were not bathed until we'd been home several days, and then it was in the tub with me. and those baths are very infrequent, maybe once a week or often less. Well, my son is two now so he showers everyday almost with daddy, but my 11 week old doesn't. And we use only plain dove soap or goat milk soap. My son was born in hospital, my daughter was born in a free standing birth centre. We never asked not to have them bathed either, they just weren't. It wasn't offered. Wiped off gently (to wipe the liquid off, and gently rub in the vernix) with warmed receiving blankets was all. And we weren't in that progressive of an area. -Wendey, studying LC Montreal Canada (where it's cloudy). *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:35:21 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: pumping for twins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - I've just started working w/a mom of 2 week old twins who has a big milk supply problem!!!! She now has a double electric pump and 1 baby who will latch-on and does transfer milk, but one who is very tiny who has oral orifice insufficiency and can't latch. My thought was to feed one twin exclusively at the breast and simultaneously pump the other breast, then feed EBM plus added formula if needed to the smaller twin. The pediatrician reccommended to the mom that she not breast feed one and bottle/alternatively feed the second twin, even short term, that they should be eating the same way - ie both breast or both bottle???? anyway....the mom also felt that she didn't have time to pump that frequently and then feed the babies too. My question: how often and for how long should she double pump if she is getting no nipple stimulation from the babies, in order to bring in enough milk for the twins? Is it the same as for singletons and her body just knows that there are 2?????? thanks! janna,cpnp, ibclc in w. htfd. CT *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:59:35 +0200 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Toby Gish <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Boys and other thoughts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In cultures where boys are the preferred sex - might mothers make more of an effort to continue breastfeeding inspite of difficulties? I never had any great breastfeeding problems but I think what brought me to this lifelong passion was falling in love with the magic of breastfeeding. I was, and still am, entranced by it all. On our maternity floor, we too are always a bit more optimistic when a preemie is a girl - they do seem to do better. Sincerely, Toby (Haifa, Israel) Toby Gish RN, BA, IBCLC, LLLL mailto:[log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:31:29 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: need articles to support pumps in a school for teachers to use. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any helpful information that could be used to convince a town board to allow a pump rental business to put in some Lactina's in the nurses office at a school for the teachers that are breastfeeding. Any articles with statistics, benefits, pr articles etc? Not sure how to approach this. Can someone point me in a helpful direction? I'm feeling clueless. Belinda Bohnert, Nursing Matters Breastpump Sales & Rental, Indianapolis Indiana, US *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:41:22 -0300 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Dee Dee & Jean Whalen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: sheehan's syndrome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I am finally back after a long break, having gotten breastfeeding established with my now 6 week old daughter. I have a question for Dr Jack Newman, or anyone else who can help. This question comes from Pamela Browne, IBCLC here in Goose Bay, Labrador who does not have access to a computer: "Does Sheehan's Syndrome ever resolve? Can a woman breastfeed her next baby if she had Sheehan's syndrome with an earlier baby? How does one definitely diagnose Sheehan's?" TIA Deborah Whalen, BN RN ("IBCLC wannabe!") Goose Bay, Labrador *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:17:37 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Susan Keith-Hergert <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: need articles to support pumps in a school for teachers to use. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would ask Medela for that data. Also, if this is a high school, the students may need the pumps too. Would definitely look into it from that angle. Susan [log in to unmask] on 05/27/99 03:31:29 PM Please respond to Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: (bcc: Susan J Keith-Hergert/MGCR/CHP) Subject: need articles to support pumps in a school for teachers to use. Does anyone have any helpful information that could be used to convince a town board to allow a pump rental business to put in some Lactina's in the nurses office at a school for the teachers that are breastfeeding. Any articles with statistics, benefits, pr articles etc? Not sure how to approach this. Can someone point me in a helpful direction? I'm feeling clueless. Belinda Bohnert, Nursing Matters Breastpump Sales & Rental, Indianapolis Indiana, US *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:26:58 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Susan Keith-Hergert <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: P/S Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We sell it for $277 and with taxes that makes it $294. I think it reasonable to say a mom is spending $300. on this pump in our area. Susan Jerry & Jacie Coryell <[log in to unmask]> on 05/27/99 11:46:58 AM Please respond to Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: (bcc: Susan J Keith-Hergert/MGCR/CHP) Subject: Re: P/S I keep seeing that many think the P/S is $300. Suggested retail is $277, discounted everywhere to $250. It's only a $50 difference, but by telling everyone that it is $300, it's misleading. Jacie in Albuquerque, New Mexico where I have to compete with internet sales that don't charge sales tax and give free shipping! *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:21:37 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Karen Zeretzke <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Lamaze magazine giving away bottles! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It may not be formula, but advertising bottles and teats still is against the Code. <fume> Karen Zeretzke, MED, IBCLC Baton Rouge, Louisiana [log in to unmask] http://www.prairienet.org/laleche/bfcost.html *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:33:55 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Patti Carroll <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: baby warmers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >and i was told by a nurse here that "the mom can have the baby for kangaroo >care as soon as he has spent half an hour under the warmer, then she can hold >him for a while, but then he has to go back under the warmer." I remember hearing this at a hospital I worked at a few years ago. I was "just a CNA nursing a baby", what did I know. But the breastfeeding counselor told me once, while putting a baby under the warmer, how well she liked the baby warmer or whatever name they had for that particular one. I replied with "But doesn't skin to skin contact with mom do well also?" She said ,"Yes, but she liked the warmer cause she could see EXACTLY what the baby's temperature was." There you have it. It is ingrained in our society. Seeing is believing. Nothing left on instinct with people. Patti c. (mother of 3, nursing mother of 19-mo twins and aspiring LC in WI) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:34:24 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Susan Keith-Hergert <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: baby baths in Israel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The only way to stop this sort of nonsense is to inform moms of the negative effects and encourage them to refuse the bath. I am very vocal in my breastfeeding classes for prenatal patients and some of our CBE's are as well. Susan *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:39:00 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Patti Carroll <[log in to unmask]> Subject: No nursery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >And just what would the nurses *do* all day? > > I think some of this fussing with the baby is eliminated in hospitals without a nursery. Sacred Heart in Eugene, Oregon has just their level III NICU and an extra nursery for some overflow. The routine, though, is that babies stay with their mom and AREN'T taken to the nursery for routine procedures. patti c. (aspirining LC in WI) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:44:08 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Patti Carroll <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: baby bathing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Mothers in the US also routinely give the baby a full-body bath every day, >even though the dirty part gets cleaned with every diaper change. I have heard this on a wonderful multiples list I am on. We were discusing bathing one time and more than a few moms admitted to bathing their multiples daily since birth. One did mention they did not use soap though. I just can't see the need in little babies and we still don't do it daily with them as toddlers unless they have been playing outside or gotten dirty somehow. Patti c. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:19:40 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Pump crud, old and older MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Debbie Macallister writes: << Just because it's my personal crud doesn't mean it's safe for it to come in contact with my baby's food. >> And if that's true when it's this year's crud, how much truer when it is the crud from when one was pumping for ones last kid, before the PNS sat under the bed or in the top of the closet for three years. Cross-contamination, at least in a home setting, just doesn't seem like a much bigger issue than the general germiness of life. Elisheva Urbas whose kids have occasionally been known to eat Cheerios off the New York City sidewalks, which really is disgusting. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:49 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: gima <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: baby bathing In-Reply-To: <01bea879$48f864a0$0999170c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" I, too, have a friend who is a Ped dermatologist. He says that if the hospitals stop giving that famous "bath" he will be out of a job. He recommends no soap on infants because of resultant rashes and other skin irritations. No soap for a loooooong time. A local Ped, who is one of the Good Guys, was asked by new parents when they could bathe the baby with soap and his reply was, "When her knees are dirty." Pat Gima, IBCLC Milwaukee, Wisconsin <color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>mailto:[log in to unmask]</color> *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:47:43 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Dee Keith <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [LLLOhio] And More PR stuff... Comments: To: [log in to unmask], Michelle Hardert <[log in to unmask]>, Linda Smith <[log in to unmask]>, Karen Gromada <[log in to unmask]>, Ebola <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask], Brandi Lin Mandingo <[log in to unmask]>, Liz Baldwin <[log in to unmask]>, "Cc: Andrea Eastman" <[log in to unmask]>, Amy Uecker <[log in to unmask]>, Allison Hazelbaker <[log in to unmask]>, Chris Auer <[log in to unmask]>, Ann Twiggs <[log in to unmask]>, Barb Letts <[log in to unmask]>, Carrie Otterson <[log in to unmask]>, Cindy Smith <[log in to unmask]>, Dale Houser <[log in to unmask]>, Marsha Gaines <[log in to unmask]>, Jenni Getz <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask], Sheila Kippley <[log in to unmask]>, Karen Wynne <[log in to unmask]>, Loma Gray <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask], Lisa Sandora <[log in to unmask]>, Mary Wales <[log in to unmask]>, Norma Escobar <[log in to unmask]>, Amy Scott <[log in to unmask]>, Susan Keith-Hergert <[log in to unmask]>, Susan Keith-Hergert <[log in to unmask]>, Barb Hampl <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I talked to the State house today and Dixie Allen's office . They told = me that they would call me and let me know when the Ohio bill would be = up and need testimony they didn't think it would be next week though. So = in the mean time contact your legislators and tell then that they need = to support this bill that is so vitally need to clarify the legalities = of breastfeeding. It is legal even though Rep. Rhine McLin didn't think = it was to nurse in public. The bill is needed as protective legislation = to clarify existing laws for both the general public and for law = enforcement and business. Some legislators have said that they will not = act on this until some one is arrested. Which is in my option way to = late. I will post as soon as I have a date for testimony . Dee Keith, = Tri-State Breastfeeding Advocates, IBCLC, LLLL, mother of ten BF = children.=20 =20 Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [LLLOhio] And More PR stuff... =20 =20 Hi all , Dee Keith Here. I received a phone call today from a Peds = from Dayton who was called by Rep. Dixie Allens office to help present = testimony on the Ohio breastfeeding bill. it appears that testimony will = be taken sometime most likely in the next week. I wish they could tell = me when. I intend to go to Columbus for this. This issue will have at = most one shot . If we do not show and in force, there will no chance = of this bill passing or moving onto any further discussion. It is = imperative that we gather our forces and put pressure on our = legislators. But We need bodies in Columbus, please if you care at all = about this issue I beg of you show up when we need you. Send your = friends , family, children, and nursing moms and dads. We have all = worked so hard to get here, don't let this slip by without a phone call, = fax, letter or willing testimony to the committee. Please. As soon as I = have an absolute date and room number I will shout it out. Dee Keith, = IBCLC, LLLL, Mother of ten BF children *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:48:42 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: pumping for twins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i must say i am dying to know why the pediatrician insists that both babies be fed "the same way." if one twin could not breath on his own, would they both have to be on oxygen? carol brussel IBCLC stilllll asking questions heather - what a dream world about hospitals! good imagination girl. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:32:07 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Anna Hayward <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Bathing babies In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Carol, >okay, so somebody show me some great scientific studies proving that a bath >is really crucial, and if so, then why aren't all those dirty babies in >heather's part of the world suffering terribly? Just to confirm what Heather is saying, my baby only had a bath in hospital because she was covered in meconium (passed it as she was born), but even so, it wasn't until the next day. In the meantime a "lick and a promise" (ie a perfunctory wipe with a wet cloth) had to suffice. Most of the babies in the hospital at the time didn't have a bath at all. My next two babies were born at home. One was admitted to hospital at 5 days old, having never been bathed and finally had a bath in SCBU at 10 days old, mainly to wash off the iodine and blood from the numerous tests she'd had to endure (a student nanny did it for me, because she needed the practice!). The second was bathed at about 2 weeks old because I had had to lie to my mother, who thought that this was a sign of a neglectful mother! My midwives told me that newborn babies should only be bathed in plain warm water, they did *not* need a bath every day and vernix was nature's moisturiser. They were ordinary, NHS midwives, so I assume what I was told was the "party line". I have to confess to reading about some of these practices of bathing and seperation from the mother with absolute horror, and the feeling that I haven't heard of such things since the 1970s in UK. It must take a lot more staff than the British practice of getting the mother to do all the work wherever possible. -- Anna H. mailto: [log in to unmask] http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:09:34 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Anna Hayward <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Scheduled feeding - natural? Comments: To: Parent-L Breastfeeding Parents Support List <[log in to unmask]>, Stay-at-Home AP Mailing List <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi All, a friend who is in the breastfeeding world shared something with me today which amused me, with regards to my research into the Ezzo program and their promotion of scheduled feeding. I was saying that animals (thinking of primates) nurse their young on demand and she replied that that wasn't true of all species - pigs, apparently, nurse their young when it's convenient for them and have conscious control of their letdown. If a mother pig is worried or frightened, she can actually refuse to nurse her young altogether, and even if they can get to latch on, they get no milk without her consent. So there you have it. Scheduled feeding is natural - for a pig! -- Anna H. mailto: [log in to unmask] http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:27:12 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Rx for mastitis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martha having got rather a backlog of Lactnet I was surprised that no-one has commented about the timing of prescription of antibiotics for mastitis. In the Uk we have been looking at information that most mastitis - by definition inflammation of the breast - does not, if treated quickly involve bacteria and therefore doesnt need Rx of antibiotics instantly. Sally Inch and Chloe Fisher have been advocating adequate draining of the breast as often as possible and looking at positioning and attachment. They suggest that antibiotics often work as powerful anti-infalmmatory agents rather as anti-bacterials in the early stages, which is why mum gets better and we all assume she need a'biotics. So in this case Martha could the mother have fed often and/or expressed the milk to "empty" the breast and maybe taken ibuprofen to lower temp and reduce inflammation - and waited till the morning for A'biotics without harm? If antibiotics are Rx less hopefully there will be fewer cases of thrush too. Inch and Fisher - 1995 - Mastitis: infection or inflammation? Practitioner 239 472-476 (also reprinted in MIDIRS) Wendy Jones Breastfeeding Network Supporter Uk and Pharmacist *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:02:24 -0600 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Nicole Bernshaw <[log in to unmask]> Organization: Huntsman Cancer Institute Subject: Re: LACTNET Digest - 27 May 1999 - Special issue (#1999-286) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Kathy Koch wrote: > I just wish Oprah had said "breastfeeding" > without the sneer in her voice... > So it was not my imagination. I was afraid I was too sensitive and did not dare mention it. We have to work on this lady ;-) Nicole *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:53:27 -0300 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Barbara Kennedy <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Mother Baby Separation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thirty one years ago tonight I gave birth to our first child-a full term healthy son. He was not brought me to nurse or even hold for over 24 hours. Ask me if I still remember it!!! I had worked in that newborn nursery and those nurses were supposed to be my friends. In spite of those hospital routines, he still nursed for over a year. Twenty two months later, in the same hospital, his sister went to my breast while I was still on the delivery table after a Cesarean birth and nursed beautifully, and for many, many months thereafter. Who says assertive mothers can't make a difference? But unfortunately mothers are still fighting the same battles or varieties thereof. United, we can help with this on-going struggle of women everywhere.. Thank you, each one, for all you do to make this a better world. Barbara Kennedy RN ICCE ICD CD(DONA) IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:31:17 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: introduction Comments: To: Timothy Collins <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Mary Beth, and welcome to lactnet! Re: your post-hysterectomy friend's breast question: I used to call this my "breast period" after mine - and the main way I knew that my remaining piece of ovary had pooped out was that they first became irregular & less frequent, then mostly stopped. Started estrogen, & the swelling & tenderness resumed, although with less "periodicity". Because her ovaries still function, she gets the breast enlargement with the hormonal fluctuations, which continue to carry on except they don't have a uterus to act upon any more. Don't really know about the leaking business you described, but if she only stopped nursing 2 yrs ago, I'd say it doesn't sound too wierd. Powerful things, those breasts! A life of their own sometimes! Cathy Bargar, RN, IBCLC Ithaca NY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:10:11 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: LACTNET Digest - 27 May 1999 - Special issue (#1999-288) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat wrote and asked iff anyone used straight gentian violet on baby's bottom for diaper rash caused by yeast. My sister used it for that purpose, and why not? Elaine Mazgelis, RD, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:08:20 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Pam Easterday <[log in to unmask]> Subject: school teachers pumping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Belinda, La Leche's New Beginnings magazine had a column about teachers working and nursing, with a question and 6 responses from mothers who have. January-February 1999 volume 16 number 1 Pam Easterday *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:46:45 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Maurenne griese <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Federal Employee Nursing Moms Program Comments: To: lactivist <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once again, my DH ( a federal employee) has sent an update on the US feds program to help federal employees who are BF. My DH thought I had sicked my lactivist friends on the people who write this newsletter ; )! I gently replied to him that it's the federal employees that are speaking up about their need for BF support from their employer, the US government, not us lactivists. Glad to see moms speaking up for themselves in unison like this. Maurenne Griese, RNC, BSN, CCE, CBE Birth and Breastfeeding Resources http://www.childbirth.org/bbfr Pregnancy & Childbirth Contributing Editor http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/pregnancy_childbirth Manhattan, KS USA [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************* FEDweek > The FREE Weekly Newsletter for Federal Employees > Wednesday, May 26, 1999 > 7. What Makes a Good Nursing Mothers Program > We had such a large number of requests for more details > on nursing mothers programs that we're publishing what > the Office of Personnel Management says are the key > elements of successful ones: > > Space -- A room with at least two electrical outlets > that is large enough to contain an end table, two chairs, > a trashcan and a small refrigerator. One outlet for the > breast pump, the other for the refrigerator. Privacy is > imperative. There should be a sink for clean-up in the > room or nearby. > > Breast Pump -- Many manufacturers make breast pumps. > Beware of breast pumps labeled "personal use" which > have low durability and are not sanitary for use as a > multi-user unit. Some may wish to use their own units. > > Supplies -- Anti-bacterial soap (to clean equipment > after use), paper towels, hooks to hang tubing to dry, > a bulletin board. > > Security -- A combination door lock so that as the > mothers change or on a quarterly basis, the combination > can be changed. This ensures that only those in the > program have access to the room. > > Room Point of Contact -- To handle the daily > responsibilities such as cleaning, pump schedules, email, > facility problems, etc. The POC would be responsible > for new mothers indoctrination, supplies and other areas > as necessary. > > 8. Breast Milk Program Contacts > NSA's -- Jacki Kilian, phone: (410) 854-4657; > Agriculture's Jackie Rodriguez, (703) 305-2692; OPM's > DeShawn Shepard, (202) 606-4626; State's Judy Zarbo, > RN, (202) 647-2546; Transportation's Wendy Leech/Suzette > Paes, (202) 366-6389/4893, and Labor's Anne Bartels, > (202) 219-6741, ext. 164. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:49:29 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Warmers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit University Hospital in Cleveland would get rid of visitors, undress mom and baby, put them skin to skin with a warmer over both of them. Then leave them alone as much as possible for at least 1 hour after birth. It was wonderful. Ruth Solomon *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:19:20 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: white tongue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/27/99 12:24:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << As to the white tongue, some people claim that white tongue doesn't indicate yeast overgrowth, but I believe that it does. It's just that sometimes it doesn't bother baby nor mother's nipples. It is just a low-level yeast imbalance, so it is not treated. (I do believe that it is not optimal health, though, for one to have a white coating on her tongue.) >> I agree, but even the peds I work with who are breastfeeding friendly don't like to treat unless I have a mom with really sore nipples. I have moms swab the baby's mouth with a Q-tip dipped in a mixture of 1 teaspoon of baking soda to 1 cup of water several times per day till white tongue is gone. It takes sometime but it changes the pH so the yeast can't strive. Saw a little baby today that had a white tongue last week and was pink today after using this for one week. This was a baby that I had wiped her tongue with cloth wrapped around my finger and it did not remove the white at all. Pat Lindsey, IBCLC Pediatrics Plus staff LC and private practice Orlando, FL *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:16:59 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Daycare and Pumped Breast milk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a hospital based LC in a large Pennsylvania Hospital. I had a call today regarding a mother whose child may not be permitted to have pumped breast milk in day care because the care providers consider the milk to be a body fluid capable of transmitting HIV, Hepatitis, etc. There was a question concerning whether gloves should be worn while giving the bottles and if the bottles could be stored in a refrigerator with bottles of formula and other food. Ridiculous, I know. I relayed information I had regarding the CDC stating that gloves are not necessary for handling breast milk in addition to my opinion that there is a much higher risk from changing diapers. I would appreciate any references any of you may have that would make these people feel more comfortable with this situation. I do not think finding another day care is an option at this time. As usual, thanks in advance for your help. Kathy Romberger, RNC, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:35:57 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Monique Schaefers <[log in to unmask]> Subject: baby baths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got to jump on this one. When my son was born 2 years ago at 7 PM, my husband deposited him on my belly and chest immediately after his birth. He latched on and nursed like a champ right away. I, then dad, held him for the next 8 hours. Sometime after the first two hours he was weighed. We let go of him briefly for that but everything else happened while we held our son. Dad asked if a nurse would show him how to sponge bathe the baby prior to our discharge. This happened in our room, under the warmer, next to my Labor/Delivery/Recovery bed so I could watch too. I think our son was bathed about 2:30 in the AM. This happened at a hospital in Portland, Oregon. Now that we know *how* to bathe a newborn, we'll probably wait until we get home in our own time to bathe our next baby. I never before really gave it a thought about getting him bathed right away or waiting. -- Monique Noah Reilly Schaefers 6/18/97 [log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:11:17 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: G Hertz <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Pushy, Pushing, Progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm back - after a long month in PICU, and a bout with pneumonia [and if I owe you an email - etc and you don't hear from me by next week I HAVE lost you somehow] I can't help but comment on the "pushy" issue. Some thoughts: -You can't make everybody happy all the time. -How you deliver information is about 75% of what determines whether someone "accepts" the information. My Job as a pediatrician is to educate people so they can make choices for their children's health and wellbeing. It is not my job to make them "comfortable" with a choice that is not in their child's best interest. I cannot force someone to put their 4 year old in a booster seat, or to refrain from smoking around their child any more than I can make someone breastfeed their baby. It is my job to care for their child the best I can, regardless of the choices the parents have made. I can [and do] continue to educate parents about all these issues - because there is still an opportunity for them to make better choices at a future time. I will support the parent's efforts, but I won't help justify a choice that is not in their children's best interest "just because it is the choice a parent has made". That may qualify me as "pushy" - but I've found "pushing" leads to "progress". Gail (glad to be back after 8 weeks without Lactnet) Gail S. Hertz, MD, IBCLC Resident, Dept. of Pediatrics PSGHS Children's Hospital Hershey PA [log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:57:05 +1000 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: MARY BLACK <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Separation of babies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The effects of separating babies from mothers is enormous.=20 My 75 year old mother still remembers with great pain my brothers birth, = youngest of four. After spending a pregnancy worrying about whether or not = she had Down's syndrome (she was 40 at this stage) she got hypertension = after the birth when they whipped the baby away for what turned out later = to be some routine weighing and stuff. Despite her pleas, they kept = reassuring her that he was just fine but did not let her see him.=20 So her blood pressure went through the roof she was so upset and angry, = the drips started, her BP shot through the roof, they kept the baby away = because of her blood pressure... and she then recalls my father finally = breaking through the delivery room doors and immediately insisting she see = the baby. Of course her blood pressure went down straight away. To this = day when she gets mad about something her blood pressure goes up.=20 This story made me quite militant when doing obstetrics myself for a = while, and when having my own babies, not to let mothers and babies be = separated. But If I had not had two switched on parents who were prepared = to fight the system, who knows what might have happened ... my mother = getting a hypertensive fit and brain damage? A horror story around birth = ?=20 I think all of this stuff is like dropping a stone in water - the = consequences of an event are like ripples and go on forever, even through = generations.=20 We must keep sharing these different stories , because the actual = practices vary much more than the text books, and the roots of explanations= are often in dissecting the details and asking why and how did that = happen. Mary E Black Australia *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:47:14 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: baby bathing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember early memories of my sweet smelling breastfed babies not needing daily baths to remain that way. I also remember my sister's formula fed babies (especially the soy-fed baby) smelling very sour by the end of one day. Maybe that is where the practice came from? Debi Ciccarello RN CCE IBCLC missing the sweet smell of my babies tonight.... Columbus, GA *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:59:14 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Tim Hendrix <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Bili levels and supplements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am about to start a Breastfeeding Task Force at our hospital, tomorrow at 8am to be exact! Help! This has been a frustrating week, once again. One of our neos who is usually a little better with breastfeeding would not let a mother nurse at all due to a bili of 8 at 16 hours of age and 10.5 at 20 hours of age. The baby had to be under the lights at all times. This baby is now 4 days old still in the hospital (bili is 16). Mom is at home, coming in as often as possible. Yes, she is nursing, finally, but with supplementation, of course.....grrrrrr. Luckily this baby is nursing like a champ. Today I went in to speak to a mom, who failed at BF with baby number one and is off to the same start with this one. She was supplementing "to be sure" the baby was getting enough. (This is the same route she took with baby number one, at her Peds advice) In comes the ARNP from NICU, who is looking after baby, since her Ped doesn't come to our hospital, who firmly tells mom she HAS to continue to supplement since the bili is 9 (48hours of age)......grrrrr. She also made the comment that if she doesn't follow that advice the baby will get sick and have to be readmitted. Here I am, thinking I had made some lead way with this mom and now she is SOOOO confused she has no clue who she should listen to. Any advice to offer, especially from the Drs ( Nancy W., et al....) Can we please clone you all?? Pam Hendrix, RN, IBCLC, ICCE in smokey S. Fla. (the everglades are burning) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:06:20 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Cindy Curtis <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Breastfeeding Theme for computer Comments: To: LACTIVIST POST <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.themes-n-schemes.com/her.htm The above url has a screen theme called Mother and Child that features breastfeeding. Cindy Cindy Curtis,RN,IBCLC mailto:[log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/cindyrn *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:21:42 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Pushy,Pushing, Progress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well said Gail! Glad you're feeling better and are back! Jane Ciaramella *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:43:03 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Leslie Ward <[log in to unmask]> Organization: La Leche League Subject: Oprah MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not get to see that show, as my kids were chanting in my ear (birthday money burning holes in their pockets) and apparently I did not program the VCR correctly. But I agree with the one post, that we need to contact Oprah (www.oprah.com) and encourage her to do a show on LLL's founding mothers, LLL, breastfeeding and/or lactation consultants. With her interest in mothering/parenting, children and people who turn their passions (today's show) into a career (I hated the profit angle) - these are topics well worth encouraging her to do. Certainly few of the other American talk shows are going to venture into the area. Oprah has not fallen to the level of the others (IMHO, either pure fluff or trash tv) and she just might do it. And there is no denying, no matter how you personally feel about LLL, those seven women certainly did something extremely powerful and socially/culturally changing. Leslie Ward Vine Grove, KY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:45:31 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Laura Wright <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: sharing pumps In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]>'s message of Thu, 27 May 1999 10:27:22 -0400 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Hello All, I know that many of the WIC client mothers I work with wind up supplementing with ABM after returning to work because they can not afford even a second-hand pump. Many of them scrimp and save to purchase a "mini" pump making three or four payments to purchase it, and by 6 months pp have to supplement because the "mini" pump was not "enough" pump. I have recently, however, become acquainted with the M***** Foot Pedal Pump. This pump operates like their Hospital Grade pump, is entirely safe to share or resale, given each mother has her own "kit" (and WIC does provide the kit) The only drew-back is that the mother must rock her foot on the pedal. (no electricity) They are however, VERY effective, and easy to carry to work. Another benefit, mother does not need electrical outlet, so has a wider possibility of pumping locations. Laura Wright *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:58:25 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Leslie Ward <[log in to unmask]> Organization: La Leche League Subject: Bathing babies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I do not know what happened to any of my first three babies as they were wisked away so fast, it was hard to realize, I'd even had a baby. My last baby was born in Germany, in a German hospital (as opposed to an American military hospital), she was given to me wrapped in a receiving blanket immediately after birth. Perhaps they had wiped her nose and mouth, but certainly not much more than that. And was washed, obviously very gently, as it was right next to me and she never made a peep, about an hour after she was born. Weighed and dressed and given back to us for another 30 mins or so. One of the reasons I can't watch A Baby Story on The Learning Channel is the way they handle babies in most of the births. If I'd ever seen someone handle one of my babies so roughly in the seconds after birth, I'd come up off the table and start screaming lawsuit (and probably a few choice nasty words). Of course the main reason I don't watch the show is the epidurals and laboring flat in a bed - I've been forced to do it twice and done it completely my way twice (although other than number one, no anesthesia). I tell moms that my extemely wonderful, floating on the top of the world, I can do anything feeling after an undrugged delivery is the reason I recommend it, compared to my first son where two weeks after delivery I still felt drugged out. I only recommend that show to the moms I see, with a caution and usually only if they've never had a baby, so they get some idea of what it's like. Leslie Ward Vine Grove, KY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:00:02 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Sheehans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deborah: Depends... was it full sheehan's has the pituitary totally shut down? was it partial and is the pituitary function re established? Patricia *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:00:03 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: gentian violet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Evonne: I worked with a mother with chronic/systemic yeast problems and she used gentian violet on the other body parts ofher children who had overgrowths - i recall takingpictures of the total diaper area of her little girl - before and after painting iwth g/v. I have painted my son's feet during hockey season when he was playing back to back tournaments. Go for it. Patricia *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:04:49 -0600 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Deanne Francis <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Lamaze Magazine response Thought you might be interested in the response I got from Lamaze Magazine. I sent the following email to Missey Moe-Cook in the Prenatal Education department: Hi, to all of you at Lamaze Magazine (Spanish and English versions). May I first congratulate you on an excellent magazine and comment on what a great help the information is, especially to Spanish-speaking mothers. The increase in Spanish-language information is very helpful. However, I would like to comment about your advertisement on the back of "Informe Lamaze." could you come up with some other kind of free coupon or sample to give mothers besides Playtex Bottles and Nipples? In a magazine that promotes and supports breastfeeding as the gold standard around the world, it does seem strange to include artificial feeding devices as part of your free coupons and samples. Thank goodness it wasn't for free formula! Far more time and money is saved by providing help with breastfeeding success, if money is the issue here. And the health issues with breastmilk in comparison with artificial baby milks are well-known. I suppose that the mothers could use the Playtex bottles to feed their own milk, but that's not the message this advertisement is sending to Spanish-speaking moms. How about offering some free milk storage bags instead? Just a suggestion. Deanne Francis, BSN, LCCE, IBCLC I received this response: Thank you so much for your comments. Please understand we are 100% supportive of breastfeeding, and all the ads in all the magazines that have anything to do with bottles, nipples or pacifiers are always reviewed by Lamaze International before being placed in the magazine. No ad goes into the magazine that has not been approved/reviewed with the advertising guidelines set up by Lamaze International. All of the wording is carefuly reviewed and oftentimes rewritten to conform with their requirements. Hopefully this answers your concerns about any ad seen in any of the publications. Missey Moe-Cook *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:23:56 +0000 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Nicole Bernshaw <[log in to unmask]> Organization: HCI Subject: Re: LACTNET Digest - 27 May 1999 (#1999-292) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:43:03 -0400 > From: Leslie Ward <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Oprah > > I did not get to see that show, as my kids were chanting in my ear > (birthday money burning holes in their pockets) and apparently I did not > program the VCR correctly. But I agree with the one post, that we need > to contact Oprah (www.oprah.com) and encourage her to do a show on LLL's > founding mothers, LLL, breastfeeding and/or lactation consultants. With > her interest in mothering/parenting, children and people who turn their > passions (today's show) into a career (I hated the profit angle) - these > are topics well worth encouraging her to do. > > Certainly few of the other American talk shows are going to venture into > the area. Oprah has not fallen to the level of the others (IMHO, either > pure fluff or trash tv) and she just might do it. > > And there is no denying, no matter how you personally feel about LLL, > those seven women certainly did something extremely powerful and > socially/culturally changing. > > Leslie Ward > Vine Grove, KY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:45:42 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Melinda Hoskins, MS, RN" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Has anyone been involved with a Small Business Admin SBIR program? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been looking into possible means of funding some breastfeeding support research projects via non-academic means and came across information about this SBA program which provides funding for research to be done by small business entreprenuers. Got my curiosity up, so I'd like to hear privately from anyone who might have had some experience with this. Melinda Hoskins, MS, RN, LC2B mailto:[log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:54:33 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Melinda Hoskins, MS, RN" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Pros and cons to breastpump rental station? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today has been a very eventful day for me! I made up my mind, committed to going into private practice, and registered my business with the county, got a home occupancy permit to work out of my home, and printed 100 business cards. So now I am officially the sole proprietor of Of a Nurturing Nature: Educational and Support Services for the Childbearing Family I'll be providing lactation consultation, labor and post-partum doula services, and possibly childbirth education classes. Now I am trying to weigh the pros and cons of opening a breastpump rental station in a community of about 40,000 with a population base that is about 50% over the age of 50. If you have had a rental station and are willing to share some counsel to a novice in such things, please email me at mailto:[log in to unmask] Thanks in advance, Melinda Hoskins, MS, RN, LC2B *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:24:41 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Patti Carroll <[log in to unmask]> Subject: gentian violet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Pat wrote and asked iff anyone used straight gentian violet on baby's >bottom for diaper rash caused by yeast. My sister used it for that >purpose, and why not? > I used gentian violet on Neil's diaper rash when he was a baby. He broke out in a rash the next day from head to toe. Assuming it was the gentian violet. The twins had many applications in their mouth, way more than I would do again, and seemed fine with it. Patti C. (aspiring LC in WI) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:30:36 -0600 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Deanne Francis <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Comments on various Comments in response to several posts the last couple of days. Re: Pumping in school. You might check with Hollister since they have a corporate pump rental program with a lot of information about the benefits to employers who support breastfeeding in this way. Medela probably has one also. Re: Starting premies on oral feeds with red nipples. Not here we don't. (Level 3 NICU with 35 beds) Babies receiving breast milk are started on skin to skin early (even on vents if they are stable) and when the baby is ready to graduate from gavage feeds, the first oral feed is a breast feeding, as well as every other oral feed for at least a week if the mother is available. If we start bottles, we use regular nipples (no premie nipples) Re: Keeping babies warm. Even our tiny premies stay warm if they have a hat on, and are put skin to skin between the mother's breasts and both are covered with a warm blanket or snuggly. Re: Use of dilute NaHCO3 solution to swab mouth with thrush. I would use caution, particularly if the baby is premature, when putting bicarb in the baby's mouth or on nipples because of the potential for interfering with the baby's sodium balance and the potential for creating a metabolic alkalosis. We had a premie get into trouble on these two issues and we nearly tore our hair trying to figure out what her problem was until we discovered the mother had been swabbing her nipples with bicarbonate of soda which was not washed off prior to nursing. Re: Breastfeeding after a C/section: We encourage our mothers as part of our prenatal breastfeeding class to breastfeed before their epidural wears off if they have to have a cesarean. They are having no post op pain, and if the baby is in good condition, breastfeeding usually goes at least as well as it does following epidurals for vaginal births. Enjoying the discussions. Thanks all for your great insights and comments Deanne *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:30:13 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: bclesperance <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Baby Bathing MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The description of putting babies under the faucet for bathing reminded me of when I was supervising nursing students in maternity. I oriented them by saying that if I caught anyone bathing a baby like that(under the faucet) they would be failed immediately, on the spot. My rationale: the practice is dangerous and demeaning. Although it was tempting to do it (because the nursery staff tell the students, "that's the way we do it in the real world".), not one of the students ever bathed the baby that way(at least that I saw). We had the mother's bath them and without any instructions, but just some encouragement and answered questions if they asked. We witnessed some of the most sensual baby baths I have ever seen--holding massaging,talking sweetly, cuddling, never letting them cry or get cold. It was wonderful! Since then the hospital has gone through two changes: first they did away with the bathing and now it has returned because of the issue of universal precautions and HIV. I think this is a real issue of concern for nurses, but rather than make mother' s feel that their babies are "dirty", why not have mother's wash them. They could even bring in their own tub! Carol L'Esperance, RN, MSN, IBCLC Albuquerque, NM 87106 USA *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:01:12 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: sharing pumps: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patricia, 1) I have seen numerous 'properly sealed' bottles leak. (also if a mom is using milk storage bags they may get punctured) 2) Who knows what kind of particulates (spores, pollens, etc.) may be in the 'air' moving thru the tubing. I really am uncomfortable with the idea of sharing pumps that store the EBM in the same case as the motor. I have seen milk get into the tubing of the pump with the silicon filter, and I have seen mothers use the other motor without the hydrophobic filter because it "worked better" (the filter had gotten wet and no longer allowed air thru -- the client [s] used the pump without instead of replacing the filter). Until I can see the motor of a 'personal use' pump of this sort after heavy use, I will recommend to my clients that they err on the side of safety and buy their own pump. If they cannot afford their own pump I will help them make the used pump they decide to obtain as safe as possible. (again safer than formula but not my first choice) Sincerely, Cheryl L Tompkins (please forgive any typos - I burned 3 fingers on my right hand and am having a difficult time finding the correct keys) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:24:01 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: bclesperance <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Baby bathing /warmers again MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The issue of mother versus an overhead warmer is old. I thought we solved that issue a long time ago. Conduction(mother to baby contact) is a better conductor of heat than convection(baby under radiant heater). Johnson, NW. 1976. Breastfeeding at one hour of age. MCN.1(1):12-16 Britton, GR. 1980. Early mother-infant contact and infant temperature stabilization. JOGN. M/A/:84-86. Hill, ST. and Shronk, LK. 1978. the effect of early parent-infant contact on newborn body temperature. JOGN. S/O:287-290. Regarding daily bathing. I always told parents that their babies didn't need to be bathed everyday, but that it was a fun ritual, a time for them to look at their baby all over, to gently touch/massage, to kiss and cuddle, and when they emerse them in warm water, a very relaxing soothing time. I remember bath times not as a time of cleaning, but touch, voice, and visual communication. Carol L'Esperance, RN, MSN, IBCLC Albuquerque, NM 87106 USA *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:26:49 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: bclesperance <[log in to unmask]> Subject: White tongue and baking soda MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am concerned about using baking soda with an infant. Is there danger of an overload of sodium? Carol L'Esperance, RN, MSN, IBCLC Albuquerque, NM 87106 USA *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:28:22 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Chad & Kate McMurry <[log in to unmask]> Subject: HELP! Positional Torticollis and suck problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am beyond my experience and would like some guidance. Had a mother come to LLL meeting whose baby was born with positional torticollis. I will give the stats that I know and if you need any more feel free to ask. Baby born via C-section after 2 days of pitocin 9# 13 oz. Mother exclusively breastfeeding until 2 week check-up and ped. dr. was very concerned that baby had not regained birth weight and was at 9# 3 oz. Immediately sent mother to Lactation Consultant and baby was put on SNS with formula and pumped BM. 1 week later, baby regained birth weight and LC did a before and after nursing weight check and baby only took in 1 oz BM. Mother told to give up on breastfeeding that she was not producing enough milk and never would by LC and Ped. Dr. LC helped mother pick out nipple to bottle feed baby. (I could just scream!!) Mother not ready to fully give up and is pumping 8x/day. So, at this point neither Dr or LC checked baby's suck only the positioning at the breast. Mother noticed that baby's jaw and neck were not quite right and that milk would drip out of baby's mouth when eating. Dr. sent baby to physical therapist who diagnosised baby's torticollis. Physical therapist very supportative of BF and is giving the mother exercises to try and help sucking as well as help with the positional torticollis. At this point baby is 4 weeks old and mother is hoping to breastfeed exclusively. We talked about how baby was most likely only getting the foremilk and not the hindmilk which is why he was not gaining weight, even though he was having plenty of wet/dirty diapers. Baby appeared to be latched on correctly, but was gumming the breast instead of sucking. Our plan of attack is to get baby's sucking well and then work on building up the mothers milk supply. My question (finally) is what recommendations do you have for improving baby's suck in this situation? Also, if anyone knows of a qualified LC who might be able to work with this mother in the Vancouver, WA/Portland, OR vacinity. Hospital LC told mother that they do not know how to deal with this problem and that most of their mothers are not successful with BFing once they have started supplementing. I am quite concerned with this situation as I usually refer mothers to the LC's at the hospital when their BF problems are beyond what I can help them with over the phone...I can't believe they told a mother that there was no way to increase her milk supply at 3 weeks postpartum and to give up!! Thank you for your help. Barely controlling my frustration- Kate McMurry LLLL [log in to unmask] "I would be most happy if my children grew up to be the kind of people who think decorating consists of building enough book shelves." -Anna Quindlen *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:59:17 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: carolyn <[log in to unmask]> Subject: baby bathing MIME-Version: 1.0 It seems obvious to me that evolution has had a hand in the different attitudes. In the U.K nurses and midwives have evolved so that they do not pick up infections from mothers and babies. In the U.S and some other parts of the world the staff are more at risk because they have missed out on this evolutionary trait. Simple really! Unable to curb the sarcasm today because one of my cats is missing and I am sooooo upset. -- Carolyn Westcott RN IBCLC Southampton UK mailto:[log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:10:23 EST Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: anne bond <[log in to unmask]> Subject: low milk supply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; This is the first time I have posted so I will quickly introduce myself. I am an Australian LC and midwife currently on maternity leave having had my first baby a month ago. I am thoroughly enjoying motherhood, breastfeeding and the time I now have to keep up with Lactnet posts. I am seeking your collective wisdom in regard to a near desperate situation with a breastfeeding friend who seems to have tried it all for a low milk supply. Baby is 8 weeks old and current weight is 4170gms, birth weight was 3580gms. It took baby 4 weeks to get back to her birth weight. Baby has had normal growth in her length and head circumference. Baby is alert, has reasonable urine output and bowel motions. Mother currently breastfeeds every 2 hours during the day and every 3 - 4 hours over night. Baby feeds for 15 - 20 minutes on both breasts, and suck swallow ratios indicate let down takes place.(Mother also feels let downs). A pacifier and a baby sling has been used to give this family a break but perhaps to the detriment of mother's milk supply. Baby has received occasional formula supplement given via a supply line (nursing supplementer) when no weight was gained. Mother has also expressed post breastfeeds using an electric pump with duel collection units. Mother has had two episodes of sore nipples but baby appears to have a good latch. It is this mother's first baby and she had a normal birth, with complete placenta without drugs at term and breastfed straight after the birth. Mother has no medical illness and has not had any breast surgery. She did not increase her bra size throughout her pregnancy and there has not been much areola enlargement however she certainly experienced fullness when her milk came in. She is currently taking Domperidone 10mg x 2 three times a day, Fennelgreek 500mg x 2 three times a day and St. Mary's Thistle 70mg x 2 three times a day. Today she told me the baby has developed thrush around it's bottom which she is treating with an antifungal. She will also treat herself as a preventative measure. This family has just about had enough and I don't know what else to suggest. I am wondering whether baby has an underlying medical condition ( i.e. urinary tract infection) which is compounding the problem. I would be extremely grateful for any new ideas for this extremely motivated mother. Anne Bond, RN, RM, IBCLC Melbourne, Australia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:34:11 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: heather <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: low milk supply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Baby is 8 weeks old and current weight is 4170gms, birth weight was 3580gms. >It took baby 4 weeks to get back to her birth weight. Baby has had normal >growth in her length and head circumference. Baby is alert, has reasonable >urine output and bowel motions. Okay, so this is not great - but it works out at 600 g over four weeks, or 150 g a week. That is the lower end of normal in what is looked for here (UK) and while it does not indicate a terrific milk supply, it is not a desperately poor one, either. The history of the situation - formula, pacifier, SNS - shows there has been a lot of stress here and stuff which might have prevented everything getting off to a good start - although there may have been good short-term reasons why these were used. >Mother currently breastfeeds every 2 hours during the day and every 3 - 4 >hours over night. Baby feeds for 15 - 20 minutes on both breasts, and suck >swallow ratios indicate let down takes place.(Mother also feels let downs). This may not be enough for *this mother* with *this baby* in *this situation* to build up an optimal supply. I'm assuming she's not imposing a schedule. Can she give the baby lots of skin to skin? Co-sleep? Watch for cues so she can feed more often, day and night? >Today >she told me the baby has developed thrush around it's bottom which she is >treating with an antifungal. She will also treat herself as a preventative >measure. Could be significant if it it turns out to be oral as well. >This family has just about had enough and I don't know what else to suggest. >I am wondering whether baby has an underlying medical condition ( i.e. >urinary tract infection) which is compounding the problem. Possibly - though very poorly babies would not gain as much as this. heather Welford Neil NCT bfc Newcastle upon Tyne UK *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:00:21 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kathleen Bruce <[log in to unmask]> Subject: away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all. I will be away from my computer for the next week or so. (Well, I may have it if I can figure out how to make it run in Europe)... If you have any questions, please write to [log in to unmask] and one of our technical experts will help you. Kathy Koch, Melissa Vickers, Karen Zeretzke, and Kathleen Auerbach are here, although Kathy A. is very busy these days. Thanks, and keep the discussion flowing! Kathleen Kathleen B. Bruce, BSN, IBCLC co-owner Lactnet,TLC, Indep. Consultant Williston, Vermont mailto:[log in to unmask] LACTNET Archives http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:46:53 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Joanne McCrory <[log in to unmask]> Subject: LC needed MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you know of an LC in Malmo, Sweden, please email me privately. Thanks, JO *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:08:25 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Anna Hayward <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Ugh! radio program on breastfeeding In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi All, I was hoping one of the other Brits would discuss this, as I didn't hear the radio program myself, but I have to comment. My mother phoned me up with what she considered some useful "information", regarding breastfeeding, after hearing a phone-in program on BBC Radio 4. Women were talking about their breastfeeding experiences (which I *should* be happy about). However, from the report I received from my mother, it does sound as if quite a few myths and untruths were exchanged. My mother said that a lady had phoned-in to say she had breastfed her baby, but her nipples got covered in blisters. She couldn't cope, so was going to put the baby on the bottle (this was about day 3). The midwife did a home visit, and found her in this state and immediately took the bottle teat off the bottle and placed it over the woman's nipple. "Try it now," she said. The woman did and said it was totally painless. Then the midwife told her to go out and get silicone nipple shields ASAP, which she did. My mother was under the impression that nipple shields were this miracle treatment for sore nipples that the medical profession was keeping secret for some mysterious reason. "Your sister could have used them when she got so sore with her first baby" said my mother. <Groan> My sister's problem had been good old fashioned positioning and was fixed in 5 minutes when she actually held the baby properly. I cannot imagine what harm nipple shields would have done in that situation. We discussed several other issues, including the theory that fairheaded women were more likely to have inverted nipples but my mother had at least got the point that the "support" I am always saying is lacking, is not about saying "Breast is best", but actually helping women with the practicalities. Is it just me, or do others cringe when they hear breastfeeding mothers perpetuating all kinds of myths? Maybe someone heard the program and can give me an informed opinion. -- Anna H. mailto: [log in to unmask] http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:08:29 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Joanne McCrory <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Ezzo victory and alternatives MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am in need of recommendations for programs that include a religious component as alternatives for Ezzo. ( I have a list, but do not have information on individual programs.) Have any of you had experience with some of the other programs, ones that may include classes or a self-directed curriculum that would be good quality alternatives? I had a small victory with one of my childbirth students. She had told me that she was planning on using a parent-directed feeding plan with her baby. I suggested that she might not be aware that this information was controversial, and gave her all my anti-Ezzo materials. I also included information on the ways in which babies develop, primarily on lactation and the physiologic effects of being left to cry. She came back to class and told me that she had not realized that the Ezzo material was so controversial and extreme because she had attended the class at their Church. She asked me for alternative parenting programs that have a religious component. Of course I recommended Dr. Sears. Thankfully, this mom and dad are willing to be open-minded and are willing to put in lots of effort to learn. I would like to provide lots of resources in support of their obvious commitment. I learned a lot about reaching this family that I can use to reach others; 1) they did not know that Ezzo is so extreme and controversial because it came from a trusted source and 2) if a family is willing to read and/or attend the class, they are well-intentioned and willing to work at being good parents. Capitalizing on their willingness to learn was crucial to getting them to re-evaluate Babywise. Joanne McCrory CBE AAHCC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:33:54 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Bath time MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol L'Esperance writes: << Regarding daily bathing. I always told parents that their babies didn't need to be bathed everyday, but that it was a fun ritual, a time for them to look at their baby all over, to gently touch/massage, to kiss and cuddle, and when they emerse them in warm water, a very relaxing soothing time. I remember bath times not as a time of cleaning, but touch, voice, and visual communication. >> In a book called "Parenting as a Spiritual Discipline," (Jewish Lights Publishing, VT, 1997) which I highly recommend, the author, Nancy Fuchs-Kreimer, talks about bath time in connection with forgiveness. For parents it can be the objective correlative of the idea that their child, and they, and their relationship, can be refreshed, made "like new," every day. And I think all of us who have held, say, a three year old fresh out of the tub can understand what she means. My kids are lucky if they get 2 or three baths a week but I can see the attraction of a fixed daily time for winding down, touching, and admiring your child -- with getting clean thrown in. But newborns don't need to be "made new" -- not physically or in metaphorical, relational terms -- they're new already! Elisheva Urbas, NYC disclaimer: I sometimes edit books for JLP, though I didn't have anything to do with this one -- I wish I had, it's a lovely book. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:59:59 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Latch problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any Ideas would be appreciated to aid the latch of a 7 week old girl, full term, 9lbs.,11oz, precipitous delivery after long pushing stage in birthing certer, no epidural, transient tachypnea at 24 hours, transported to NICU and given oxygen thru nasal cannula and suctioned (lightly?), no intubation, kept 36 hours then sent home weighing 9 lbs., 1 oz. At that point, baby refused to feed so mother pumped and fed pumped milk to baby with syringe for 24 hours. Then baby began to show signs of wanting to nurse but it was impossible to get baby to open wide for latch and baby insisted on curling bottom lip in. No frenulum problems and palate normal. Mother tried everyting I suggested to get baby to latch better. Extremely sore nipples. Suck training ala Chele Marmet techniques did not help. Mother persisted despite soreness and lack of stools. Plenty of wet diapers. Extremely supportive ped said baby was healthy and well hydrated and to continue nursing despite weight dropping to 8 lbs.1 oz at its lowest (on my digital scale). At 16 days and no stool since meconium ped suggested 4 oz ABM in bottle once a day. Mother used feeding device with 1 oz at 4 feeds instead. Quickly went to 26 oz of ABM, mostly in lactation device with occasional bottle and weight began to rise. Mother spent time talking with Jimmie Avery about lactation device about what to expect. Baby began to feed constantly and fall asleep at the breast shortly after latch (still shallow and with lip curled in) and whenever mother attempted to detach baby would act hungry and frantic. This would go on for most of day. Now getting about 20 oz of ABM via lactation device, about 7 times a day and occasional bottle. (Mother always pumped when a bottle was given.) This is down from a high of 28 oz. so I interpret that to mean baby is getting more breast milk. Some good days, many days bad. Baby can now open wide for latch but frequently won't unless crying, weighs 10 lbs 15 oz, and mother fears she can't keep this up. Wonders what it is doing to her relationship with baby to constantly put her on and then take her off to try to get a better latch. Often mother puts up with less than ideal latch rather than frustrate baby. I'm so impressed with this mother's determination. Saw speech therapist Ann Toolajian last week and it came out that mother has TMJ which Ann thinks baby has. (Plan to put question about TMJ on my history form!) Did some cranio-sacral work and have joint apt. with Ann and John Chappel, PT but not until next week. First child, now 2, born after long labor with epidural, and vacuum extration had horrible suck problem and mother pumped for several months so baby (boy) only got pumped breast milk despite many trips to LC. Mother atended LLL all through pregnancy and is really dedicated to getting breastfeeding to work. Mother, this week, developed a cystocele and is supposed to be doing bladder retraining involving urinating every hour for a week, then every hour and a half for the next week and then every 2 hours for the duration to avoid infection. Seems to be controversy between docs over whether kegels will help. Mother already feels there is no time in her day for her 2 year old and newborn (who is nursing constantly) and now she has this added dilema. Any suggestions to improve the latch that I haven't thought of? TIA for your collective wisdom. Gerri, IBCLC in central NJ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:47:15 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [Fwd: twins/pump] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3352E1C95CA89BBD555F0BFD" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3352E1C95CA89BBD555F0BFD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, forgot to use spellcheck. --------------3352E1C95CA89BBD555F0BFD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (dlep6.itg.ti.com [157.170.188.9]) by dlep3.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29906 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:34:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25460 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:34:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (ppp-dsbs23-013.itg.ti.com [192.168.37.13]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25384; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:34:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:40:54 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: twins/pump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janna, hi, my name is Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC. I work exclusively with mothers of multiples and have twins of my own. While I understand your clients doctors concern regarding feeding both babies the same way, it is important to understand that this problem is self limiting and will disapear as soon as the baby has time to grow abit. There was a time when one of my twins was exclusively breastfed and the other took only bottles. It's not fun, but it is manageable and with work will resolve. Both of my twins went on to be exclusively breastfed for an extended period of time. In my mind, I couldn't reconsile removing breastfeeding from one child for no other reason than what another child was doing. What a shame that would be. It did, however, provide me with excellent motivation for working with my other twin until he to was completely on the breast. If the mom is feeling overwhelmed by nursing, pumping, and bottlefeeding, (very common among twin moms), suggest that she worry about a full supply for both a little later and concentrate on her success with the one twin and continue to attempt to nurse the other before each bottle (every day will make a difference in this baby's oral abilities). Even if he can not latch on at all, continue to make the attempt, along with lot's of skin to skin contact. Is this baby's oral developement abnormal or just premmie? I'd be happy to work further with you on this if you like. Denny [log in to unmask] 972/235-1086 (Texas) --------------3352E1C95CA89BBD555F0BFD-- *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:47:56 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [Fwd: twins and HELLP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------152B5F15600F4CC544A5A29F" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------152B5F15600F4CC544A5A29F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . --------------152B5F15600F4CC544A5A29F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (dlep6.itg.ti.com [157.170.188.9]) by dlep3.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16603 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:07:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25504 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:06:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (ppp-dsbs23-013.itg.ti.com [192.168.37.13]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25459; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:06:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:13:13 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Liz Brooks <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: twins and HELLP References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Liz, I'm so sorry about the difficult situation your friend has been going through. Yes, of course, give her my info. Additionally, my phone# is 972/235-1086. ASAP have her get in touch with Judy Pyle at [log in to unmask] She is the contact for the HELLP syndrome support group for lay and professional people and is a terrific source of information as well as support and encouragement. She will find MANY other moms there who have gone through just what she has. Also, if she considers having more children at sometime, there is essential info there for her. If she agrees, please forward her info to me. The oral defensiveness you described is very common in very premature infants due to the extremely aggressive treatments needed to ensure their survival. At the time, future feeding difficulties seem like a blessing, considering many will be fortunate to have a baby to feed at all. This situation is best handled with the help of a really good OT (occupational therapist). I imagine your friend already has her kids seeing one, as well as a PT (physical therapist). If not, they need to get on this ASAP for the best long term benefits and advantages. She may already expect for her twins to need help with these areas as well as others, like speech therapy. How many weeks was she when she delivered? My brother has a special needs child who also was very orally defensive. They have lot's of info on special services and internet support services. If your friend is interested, I can put them in contact as well. Best wishes to your friend and also to you for your new career as an IBCLC. Welcome! Denny Liz Brooks wrote: > > Denny -- I am a fledgling IBCLC just outside Phila. > > Your Lactnet post really stood out for me -- a friend (whom I don't see > often enough)is home with her now-10-month old twin boys who were born > very prematurely after her own near-fatal HELLP experience. > > The littlest guy weighs just ten pounds; born at just over 1.0 I think, > and has been diagnosed with failure to thrive (along with dozens of other > maladies, poor guy). Mom was just lamenting to me in an e-mail (the way > we seem to communicate best these days) about their troubles getting him > to eat -- aggravated by the fact that he has an aversion to having > anything placed in his mouth; no doubt a result of those assaultive (my > term) first months in the NICU. She had tremendous BF support in the > hospital and after discharge. Pumped like mad; had great volume. I don't > know how much bmilk her sons are getting at this point -- if any at all. > > Anyway -- she wondered if I had any clever ideas for getting this little > guy to put on some weight. I was stumped as I read her e-mail -- went on > to Lactnet for "a fix" -- and there was your post. > > Do you have any clever ideas? Would you be willing to have me share your > e-mail address with her, so she could give you a better picture of her > situation? She is not an IBCLC -- not a Lactnet subscriber -- just a > frazzled working mom with twins! > > Thanks for your consideration. > > === > Liz Brooks, JD, IBCLC > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------152B5F15600F4CC544A5A29F-- *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:03:26 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: tort. Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kate, how terribly frustrating for you and that poor mom! Shame on the lazy attitudes that she has encountered. I have had success previously with adding an OT (occupational therapist) to the support group. Have mom try positioning the baby as follows, sit baby upright, legs in front, facing the breast. Gently support the back of the head with opposite hand and support the breast to the appropriate height with the other. At first mom may have to lean forward a bit, if the baby is still pretty floppy. Wish I could draw you a picture! Keep trying, I'm confident that this mom can successfully bf this baby, in spite of the LC help she got! Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:08:01 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: supply Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne, welcome and congratulations on your new baby! Please consider a sweat test for CF on this baby. Sincerely, Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:41:50 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: heather <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Ugh! radio program on breastfeeding In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It was Radio 4's Woman's Hour, Anna, and I heard it. Not as mad or bad as your mum said! Did not hear it all, though, as I must have missed the bit about bottle teats. The experiece of the fair haired woman was that someone had seen her at a party and said (erroneously, of course) she'd be bound to have problems breastfeeding...but in fact the ensuing discussion revolved around the fair woman's inverted nipples. The party guest told the woman with inv. nipples that her husband should suck them out to help them stand out before the baby comes...she did this, it worked, and bf went fine. Well, said the presenter, that could be a useful tip for some. (of course, I know it wasn't evaluated in the famous MAIN trial : )) The writer of the letter said, it's not something that everyone would feel able to suggest to women, and she said it could be in a leaflet instead. Well, only if it's been evaluated, though...a survey where n=1 needs some further replicating...but with 'normal' ie non-adhesions inverted nipples, it would have nothing but pleasurable side effects if the couple were happy about it : ) Heather Welford Neil NCT bfc Newcastle upon Tyne UK *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:24:34 -0600 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Nicole Bernshaw <[log in to unmask]> Organization: Huntsman Cancer Institute Subject: Apologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Lactnetters, I have to apologize for double messages (Oprah related) which have crept in last night originating from my computer. In isolating these messages for printing, they somehow got sent to the mailing list. I cannot understand how it happened but I will find out another way to print. Sincerely, Nicole Bernshaw *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:29:41 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: reaction to fluconazole MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have a client who is sensitive to everything, and is having the diarrhea/nausea reaction to the initial dose of fluconazole. has anyone seen these symptoms improve while taking this? she is quite motivated to continue treatment, but is feeling dizzy and weak along with it, and is reluctant to continue if it is not going to improve. i am also assuming that the other azole drugs might have the same effect on her. she has already used nystatin and gentian violet without success. carol brussel IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:26:08 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Jane and Fred Squires <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Ezzo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received this in the mail from a local church: "Growing kids gods way guideline (we're happy for your interest!) 1. Faithful attendance at the 18 sessions is expected. (Please miss no more than 3 sessions.) Sessions are scheduled for Wednesdays, 6:45-8:15pm from June 2 through Sept 1. In addition the class will need to agree on a weeknight or weekend time for 4 other sessions, when you will need to arrange your own childcare. 2. Please pay $20.00 per person for your notebook. (Two notebookds required per couple.) Please make out checks payable to the church. This is your only charge for this course. 3. Please pick up your young children Wednesdays at 8:15 pm so that our volunteer church staff are not detained. (if the class goes past 8:15 you or your spouse will need to get your child.) 4. Do all reading and written homework. Be ready to discuss in class. 5. Honor the following requests: a. Avoid disagreeing with the presentation during class or discussion sessions. This can discourage others. (Discuss any problem one on one with group leader) b. In order to avoid offending others it is suggested that you do not share the informationwith others not in the class unless they initiate questions. (Parenting is controversial) If they see the behavior of your children improve they may initiate questions. The, you have an open door and can feel free to share." I thought I would share this with you. Jane Squires *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:45:04 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Mary Kay Smith <[log in to unmask]> Organization: Sinai Health System Subject: baking soda treatment is obsolete MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that Dr. Lawrence voiced a concern regarding this issue in the 1989 edition of her book. I only have the 94 and 99 ed. here in the office. As a result of that, La Leche League revised their suggestions for the treatment of thrush. The BAB states "using clear water" to rinse the nipples after a feeding. Some practitioners recommend a vinegar rinse of the nipples after feedings; but not the infants mouth. Mary Kay Smith, CLE, IBCLC, APL Romeoville, IL *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:39:32 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kathleen Bruce <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Dublin LC Needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can someone please email me any IBCLCs etc in Dublin Ireland? Email privately please. Kathleen Kathleen B. Bruce, BSN, IBCLC co-owner Lactnet,TLC, Indep. Consultant Williston, Vermont mailto:[log in to unmask] LACTNET Archives http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:58:47 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: fluconazole Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carrol, I have seen this reaction in several moms, particularly if they received a loading dose. In each case, the n/v and diarrhea resolved after a few days, no treatment necessary. Denny *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:51:12 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: newborn weight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An LC friend and I were talking about the often-stated idea that babies whose mothers have had IVs in labor may have an inflated birthweight, thus making the subsequent weight loss sound worse than it really is. We were wondering if this was just a theory or if it had been validated by research. Does anyone know of any research data on this? If not, it sounds like a good avenue for research. Miriam *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:18:12 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Anna Hayward <[log in to unmask]> Subject: HELP! Positional torticollis In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Kate, (sorry about the spelling) I am afraid I don't know about the specifics of this situation, but I related to this part: >I can't believe they told a mother that there was no way to >increase her milk supply at 3 weeks postpartum and to give up!! >Thank you for your help. Why, why, why do people advise women to give up breastfeeding because they cannot breastfeed exclusively? Not that I think supplementing with formula should be anything less than a last resort, but *even* if the doctor recommends ("orders") formula supplementation, why is it I so often come across women who've been told to *give up*. Surely, it's up to the mother to decide if she wants to give up entirely? From supporting a mother in an attempt to relactate, I have seen how some HCPs despised her 2oz yields and considered it worthless to her baby. And yet, those 2oz made such a huge difference to her FTT baby. She was very educated, and a somewhat exceptional mother, but I really believe that many more mothers would be prepared to continue breastfeeding and/or pumping, even if only partially, if they realised just how much difference a little breastmilk can make. And ofcourse, as your story illustrates, yields often can be improved and babies often can be got back to the breast. It just seems that outside our little group of Lactnetters, the world at large is very pessimistic about breastfeeding and under-values breastmilk. When I was supporting the mother relactating, I tried to find research and studies to support her and my view that a little breastmilk was a lot better than none, but I didn't find much. Is it just not there, or are we mistaken? I can't honestly believe we are. -- Anna H. mailto: [log in to unmask] http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:16:36 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kathleen Bruce <[log in to unmask]> Subject: JUNO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just a note...there are big problems with JUNO. Anyone you know who has JUNO may not be rec'ing Lactnet due to a problem with their server. Please refer those friends on JUNO to Juno sysops for further help. There is nothing we can do about it on our end. Thanks. Kathleen Kathleen B. Bruce, BSN, IBCLC co-owner Lactnet,TLC, Indep. Consultant Williston, Vermont mailto:[log in to unmask] LACTNET Archives http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:42:34 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sister Miriam Bauerlin <[log in to unmask]> Subject: INTRODUCTION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I have been an off and on Lactnet subscriber for several years, I was a lurker (I think thats what is meant by a person who just reads but doesnt get really involved.) I need some help and I thought of Lactnetters as a solution. My name is Miriam Bauerlin. I am a Sister of St. Francis, an IBCLC since 1995 and I live in Maryland, and my work is mainly with young low-income pregnant women. A group of us have formed a corporation and are applying for an IRS # (?) so we can apply for grants. In the meantime, our group finds itself wantint to keep goo documentation. Herein lies the problem...When I was at BocaRaton for the ILCA Conf. there was a vendor for computer software specifically for Lactation Consultants. I cannot locate the Name or telephome # in order to contact them. Can anyone help me? It just dawned on me ..it is the beginning of a holiday week-end. But..Sincerely, Sr. Miriam *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:12:12 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: If you could MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am updating a course for nurses. What would you like to see under the heading WORKING WITH A LACTATION CONSULTANT? In other words what would you like nurses to know about working with you as an LC? How can they make your job better (Other than not pushing ABM and pacifiers)? Please respond off list. Thanks Marie Davis, RN, IBCLC [log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:26:51 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: bathing newborns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My fourth (and last!) baby was born at home and my midwife advised me not to bathe her for around two weeks. She smelled wonderful! The vernix was massaged into her skin and she never had any skin problems. As an interesting side note, about 5 days pp, two of my friends came over and each held the baby. My baby then smelled like their perfumes, and it was deeply disturbing to me - I felt like a mother cat. It's interesting how seemingly unimportant things can have such an impact on early mothering/breastfeeding. Kim Sherwood, LLLL *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:33:29 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: scheduled feedings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/27/99 7:32:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << I was saying that animals (thinking of primates) nurse their young on demand and she replied that that wasn't true of all species - pigs, apparently, nurse their young when it's convenient for them and have conscious control of their letdown. If a mother pig is worried or frightened, she can actually refuse to nurse her young altogether, and even if they can get to latch on, they get no milk without her consent. So there you have it. Scheduled feeding is natural - for a pig! >> Humans do that too - it can be hard to get a letdown under certain stressful situations. All mammals are like that - it is no time to lie down and nurse if a bear is about to make you his lunch! The pig is not thinking, "hmmm, I should really get those piglets on a schedule..." she is just following her survival instincts! Kim Sherwood, LLLL *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:11:29 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Bratt <[log in to unmask]> Subject: bathing babies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In Baltimore, Maryland, it was common practice in the seventies, in the hospitals, to take the baby away from the mother and bathe the poor creature at once. Happened to our second, despite her mother's objections. Have to confess that as, chief resident in Pediatrics, I "sided' with the nurse. But Katherine, how can you call that part, the "dirty" part? As well as all those lovely germs that you want the mother and baby to develop immunity to! David, Trini ped. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:15:25 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Interesting GAO report Comments: cc: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out this interesting GAO (US Govt) report I found. Particularly interesting is the section on "key characteristics of the US infant formula market". http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=gao&docid=f:rc98146.txt Katie Allison Granju Knoxville, TN http://www.attachmentparent.com/ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:32:22 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sandy Hess <[log in to unmask]> Subject: URGENT! Please help with "Cows Udderly Agree" Promo! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a call from Chik-fil-A this morning! They have sent the request over to marketing. The caller noted, with surprise, that CFA had received 12 e-mails this morning promising support. Please! Take a moment TODAY to email Chik-fil-A and send a *brief* note saying that you will help defray the cost of the Chick-fil-A "Cows Udderly Agree" campaign by taking your family of (#) to eat a meal at CFA during World Breastfeeding Week; also, (if you can do so) that you will order at least one T-shirt; and that you appreciate CFAs willingness to get involved in educating future mothers, and others, about this important health care issue. To re-cap the campaign, I have asked CFA to draw up an ad with a couple of cows, possibly nursing their calves, with the ad reading "Cows Udderly Agree: Human Milk is Best for Babies. World Breastfeeding Week, August 1 - 7". This would be printed on the paper tray cover and on the T-shirt. Also, I sent a list of benefits of breastfeeding to mom, the baby, and the financial resources of our government and health care system -- to all families in general-- and asked that CFA print the list on the side of the ad, or the back of the paper tray. Perhaps locales can organize a certain day to meet and eat at CFA, alert the media, and promote the cause. I saw my doctor this morning and he excitedly said he would put the word out in his realm of influence. If we *all* did this, CFA can hardly say "no"! Right now, we definitely have their attention. Let's get their committment! Please e-mail (remember, keep it short!) them at: http://www.chick-fil-a.com/content/feedback/feedback/.htm It is time to educate the nation just how important breastmilk is for our children. This is a positive way to get our message across. I have no doubt that a great deal of local (and possibly greater) media coverage can ensue from this project. WE CAN DO IT! Will someone alert Larry Gardner, Ruth Lawrence, your breastfeeding products compan(ies), LLL, and others -- come on guys -- post your ideas! (I have e-mailed Richard Weston @ Medela already). Kathleen, I want to repeat this post several times, but the only way I know is to "forward" it and have a double header. Please tell me how to do it differently so I don't have to type out each message, if the "forward" idea won't fly. Thanks, Sandy *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:28:09 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Ezzo instructions to parents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "5. Honor the following requests: a. Avoid disagreeing with the presentation during class or discussion sessions. This can discourage others. (Discuss any problem one on one with group leader) b. In order to avoid offending others it is suggested that you do not share the informationwith others not in the class unless they initiate questions. (Parenting is controversial) If they see the behavior of your children improve they may initiate questions. The, you have an open door and can feel free to share." YIKES!!! Never mind the content of the classes, I'd run the opposite direction, as fast as my stubby little legs could carry me, from ANY class that asked me not to disagree with the presentation and not to share the information with others! Am I abnormally cranky, or is this not a HUGE red flag to *anybody* considering the class? And if you truly believed that "god" has "a way" s/he wants you to raise your children, wouldn't you want to shout it from the rooftops? "...to avoid offending others", my foot! This is really scary to me - it smacks of strange cult behaviour, not to mention sounding deeply paranoid. Seriously, have I just become so cantankerous and curmudgeonly that I'm making a big deal out of nothing much? Cathy Bargar, RN, IBCLC Ithaca NY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:27:51 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: gima <[log in to unmask]> Subject: LC in Mountain View CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" I need the name of a board certified LC in or near Mountain View California. It is near Palo Alto. TIA Pat Gima, IBCLC Milwaukee, Wisconsin <color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>mailto:[log in to unmask]</color> *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:48:26 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sandy Hess <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Urgent! "Cows Udderly Agree" Promo Needs YOU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a call from Chick-fil-A this morning! They have sent the request over to marketing. The caller noted, with surprise, that CFA had received 12 e-mails this morning promising support. Please! Take a moment TODAY to email Chik-fil-A and send a *brief* note sayingthat you will help defray the cost of the Chick-fil-A "Cows Udderly Agree" campaign by taking your family of (#) to eat a meal at CFA during World Breastfeeding Week; also, (if you can do so) that you will order at least one T-shirt; and that you appreciate CFA's willingness to get involved in educating future mothers, and others, about this important health care issue. To re-cap the campaign, I have asked CFA to draw up an ad with a couple of cows, possibly nursing their calves, with the ad reading "Cows Udderly Agree: Human Milk is Best for Babies. World Breastfeeding Week, August 1 - 7". This would be printed on the paper tray cover and on the T-shirt. Also, I sent a list of benefits of breastfeeding to mom, the baby, and the financial resources of our government and health care system -- to all families in general-- and asked that CFA print the list on the side of the ad, or the back of the paper tray. Perhaps locales can organize a certain day during WBW to meet and eat at CFA, alert the media, and promote the cause. I saw my doctor this morning and he excitedly said he would put the word out in his realm of influence. If we *all* did this, CFA can hardly say "no"! Right now, we definitely have their attention. Let's get their committment! Please e-mail (remember, keep it short!) them at: http://www.chick-fil-a.com/content/feedback/feedback/.htm It is time to educate the nation just how important breastmilk is for our children. This is a positive way to get our message across. I have no doubt that a great deal of local (and possibly greater) media coverage can ensue from this project. WE CAN DO IT! I give my permission for this post to be printed, faxed, forwarded electronically, read, quoted, etc. for the purpose described above. Let's get going! Thanks, ALL, for your help! Sandy *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:46:31 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pedal pump MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you mentioned the Pedal Pump. When I was was at WIC, I purchased several of these, thinking they would be a really excellent solution to the problem of never having enough electric pumps to meet the need. I found that most moms didn't really like using the pedal pump; not sure why. Some said it took "coordination", some just plain didn't like it. Which I thought was a shame, because it really seems like a good idea. Maybe there was some sense that it wasn't "as good as" the heavy-duty electric pumps, or that they were being foisted off with second-best. Have others of you out there had better luck with this pump? It really does seem like a nifty gadget to me! Cathy Bargar RN, IBCLC Ithaca NY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:38:15 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Jamie Smith <[log in to unmask]> Subject: tongue thrusting Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In addition to neonatal tongue thrusting, there's acquired tongue thrusting, in which the tongue pushes forward from the alveolar ridge to the teeth during a swallow. It's associated with long-term use of artificial nipples, and it's also linked to speech problems (particularly distortions of /s, z, sh, zh/). When I was working as a speech pathologist, we would get occasional referrals for swallowing therapy from orthodontists, who had told parents that there was not much point in shelling out big bucks to correct an overbite if a kid was going to be pushing the teeth forward with his tongue 2000 times a day. There are appliances which aim to keep the tongue back, but the orthodontists we worked with didn't seem to have much faith in them. Everything I know about acquired tongue thrusting I learned on the job, so I don't have references. But there's a FL speech pathologist named Daniel Garliner who has written a lot about it, if anyone is interested. Yet another way breastfeeding saves money--this time ten or twelve years down the line. Jamie Smith (CCC-SLP) LLLL in Edinburgh *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:21:54 +0100 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Jamie Smith <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Christian support for attachment parenting Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One option for Christian families (particularly Catholics) looking for support for attachment parenting (or anti-Ezzo ammunition) is the Couple to Couple League. They publish _Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing_, which includes lots of good mothering advice as well as info on breastfeeding amenorrhea. Sheila Kippley, the author, is (or at least was) an LLLL, and her book reflects LLL philosophy. In addition, CCL has a newsletter which always includes articles on breastfeeding and on attachment parenting. Within the past year the newsletter ran two lengthy articles on why the Ezzo approach is bad for breastfeeding and certainly not intrinsically Christian. One caveat: CCL's primary function is to teach natural family planning. It was founded by Catholics with very clear beliefs about sexual morality and related issues (like abortion). After following the Tabitha Walrond thread, I am guessing that some of you might be personally uncomfortable with their points of view; just wanted to be clear about what they stand for besides attachment parenting. They're at www.ccli.org. Jamie Smith LLLL in Edinburgh and CCL NFP teacher *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:05:16 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Robert Cordes DO <[log in to unmask]> Subject: baby baths Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm trying to catch on on posts hopefully being on call this weekend will allow me to do so. Anyway I feel the reason for the baby bath is becasue as said the risks of contacting body fliuds. This may be HIV, Hep B, HepC etc. We have begun delaying the bath here for bonding/ feeding purposes. That was the idea of some "pushing pro-breastfeeding ped on staff. :-) BTW that guy even did his own baby's bath 2 months ago. -Rob Rob Cordes, DO, FAAP, FACOP Wilkes Barre PA mailto:[log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:10:16 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Robert Cordes DO <[log in to unmask]> Subject: baby baths (non BF) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain That last post reminded me of my first son's newborn bath. Weeks prior to his delivery I had told the L&D nurses not to bath him b/c my wife wanted to. I was joking but they took me seriously. While my wife has in labor I came down with food poisoning so about 1 hour post delivery I crawled off with some Tigan to sleep. When I rejoined them Deb was getting back from the bath room and Ryan was in an isollette. She explained he just had a bath. The nurse thought she wanted to do the bath and Deb then thought it was routine for the mom to do it! Everybody was happy. (I was too after 2 liters of IV fluid) -Rob Rob Cordes, DO, FAAP, FACOP Wilkes Barre PA mailto:[log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:22:08 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sandy Hess <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Your help is needed for "Cows Udderly Agree" promo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a call from Chick-fil-A this morning! They have sent the request over to marketing. The caller noted, with surprise, that CFA had received 12 e-mails this morning promising support. Please! Take a moment TODAY to email Chik-fil-A and send a *brief* note sayingthat you will help defray the cost of the Chick-fil-A "Cows Udderly Agree" campaign by taking your family of (#) to eat a meal at CFA during World Breastfeeding Week; also, (if you can do so) that you will order at least one T-shirt; and that you appreciate CFA's willingness to get involved in educating future mothers, and others, about this important health care issue. To re-cap the campaign, I have asked CFA to draw up an ad with a couple of cows, possibly nursing their calves, with the ad reading "Cows Udderly Agree: Human Milk is Best for Babies. World Breastfeeding Week, August 1 - 7". This would be printed on the paper tray cover and on the T-shirt. Also, I sent CFA a list of benefits of breastfeeding to mom, the baby, and the financial resources of our government and health care system -- to all families in general-- and asked that CFA print the list on the side of the ad, or the back of the paper tray. Perhaps breastfeeding advocates at various locales can organize a certain day during WBW to meet and eat at CFA, alert the media, and promote the cause. I saw my doctor this morning and he excitedly said he would put the word out in his realm of influence. If we *all* did this, CFA can hardly say "no"! Right now, we definitely have their attention. Let's get their committment! Please e-mail (remember, keep it short!) them at: http://www.chick-fil-a.com/content/feedback/feedback/.htm Of course, if you commit to any of the above methods of support, please follow through! Who knows where this could lead next year? Maybe a breastfeeding ad on their paper sacks?! :) It is time to educate the nation just how important breastmilk is for our children. I have no doubt that a great deal of local (and possibly greater) media coverage can ensue from this project. WE CAN DO IT! I give my permission for this post to be printed, faxed, forwarded electronically, read, quoted, etc. for the purpose described above. Let's get going! Thanks, ALL, for your help! Sandy *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:39:12 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Patty Shoults Rn, Ibclc" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: LACTNET Digest - 26 May 1999 - Special issue (#1999-282) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for an update on the bill which requires employers to provide lactating women time to pump thier milk. I assume this is Federal. Are there limitations on the size of the employer group or are all employers effected? I wanted to make local employers aware of this to increase breastfeeding awareness. Thanks Patty IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:53:25 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Sharing Pumps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a good example of why it is NOT a good idea to lend pumps to friends: This week I had a call from a woman who was given a PIS by a friend. After her second attempt, she called to tell me her nipple "ballooned." I asked her what the pump was set on and she seemed confused. She did not even realize it had a pressure setting. Of course it was set on high. My next question was, "How long did you pump?" 45 minutes!!!!!!! She said that was what her friend had told her to do and there was no information with the pump. Ouch!! I just hope that she hasn't caused damage to her nipple which will affect breastfeeding. Just my thougts Linda Goldberg, RN, CCE, aspiring LC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:18:39 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: LACTNET Digest - IVs and birthweight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/99 4:40:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << often-stated idea that babies whose mothers have had IVs in labor may have an inflated birthweight, thus making the subsequent weight loss sound worse than it really is. >> I think I read this in Henci Goer's "Obstetric Myths vs Research Realities" my copy is lent out or I'd check. If anyone has any other concrete references I'd appreciate a copy by private email since my lactnet reading is sporadic at best these days. Elaine Ziska Jackson, MS *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:40:06 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kathy Dettwyler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Chik-Fil-A Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I sent a brief email to Chik-Fil-A, along with complimenting/thanking them for hiring the handicapped -- we have a good friend who is a young woman with Down Syndrome who has worked for Chik-Fil-A since she was 16. It is a good job for her. I got a very nice personalized note back. Chik-Fil-A is not open on Sundays (corporate policy, so the employees can go to church) -- if this is important to you, mention it, so they really will think we know about and like Chik-Fil-A, not just are obsessed with breastfeeding. Kathy Dettwyler *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:04:10 -0700 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Kate Hallberg <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Site in Italian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://space.tin.it/salute/jjmil/ is a site with some of our favorite articles translated into Italian by a parent-l mom! I'm so impressed that she did this, and I encourage all of you to keep her and the site in mind if you need it. I'll be studying it for my next trip to Italy. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:37:14 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: yeast and resistance to fluconazoloe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone. I am struggling with a mom of 2 week old twins. She came to me with shooting pains in her back and shoulders, burning/stinging between feedings, and tearfulness while nursing. Seemed like a no-brainer. She also has battled yeast for years, had at one point been on 200mg fluconazole daily for 6 months ( yes, months!) Anyway, c-sx, got abx, probably got yeast. I have prescriptive privileges and got info. together to discuss with her ob about treating he for ductal candidiasis - he had never heard of using diflucan in a 400mg X 1 then 200 mg for up to 4 weeks dose as is suggested in Hale but agreed to "agree" if I would prescribe it. So I did. And oral nystatin for the babies. And all purpose nipple ointment (mycolog/bactroban) for mom's nipples. Things got slightly better for about a week - now are horrendous and she has a vaginal yeast infection, and signs of ductal candidiasis. She went to her ob/gyn today who said she'd never heard of anyone being "resistant" to diflucan, and that if diflucan wasn't making her breast pain go away, then it wasn't yeast. And then went on to give a vaginal yeast cream (?Terconazole?) I'm not sure what to do next. What would you do? thanks....janna zempsky, cpnp, ibclc in w. hartford, ct. *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:43:46 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: reaction to fluconazole MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << i have a client who is sensitive to everything, and is having the diarrhea/nausea reaction to the initial dose of fluconazole. has anyone seen these symptoms improve while taking this? >> Dr. Crook's book THE YEAST CONNECTION AND THE WOMAN talks about when yeast is dying it gives off toxins that can make you sick on your stomach and feel like the flu. This maybe why some have these side effects. Stomach cramps and nausea and diarrhea are known side effects of diflucan. If the side effects are due to the yeast dying, then the side effects will lessen over time due to less and less yeast left to kill. I've not have mothers become sick on diflucan, but have had some reports of baby's being quiet upset or fussy when on diflucan for thrush. Warmly, Pat Lindsey, IBCLC Pediatrics Plus staff LC and private practice Orando *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:47:53 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Pushy BFing people MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why are we being "pushy, or zealots or radicals" when we advocate for BFing but the American Cancer Society is seen as being educational when they have a " World Without Tobacco Day"? Why don't we have a "World Without Artificial Baby Milk " day? Seriously, I get tired of being the "different" one in the bunch because I am the one who voices objections to things like ABM companies having booths at the Maternity Fair ( their invitation was taken back and they were told that the committee had a complaint but the rep still sent door prizes and videos which was used). On a related note, I had a call this afternoon from a FNP at the big Peds group ( with the embolism Ped) who called to see what I do. He said that they had tried to call the Lactation Specialist at the hospital but couldn't get her so they decided to call me. ( you know, the IBCLC is second choice). They had a referral. The Mom delivered 6 days ago, and when I asked her what Meds she was given during labor and delivery she said nothing except the IV. I then asked what was in the IV. She said, Mag, Pitocin, and also had an epidural and demerol. Baby was taken away because he was "shaking" and given glucose in bottles and wasn't brought to her until he was 12 hrs old. He never nursed and is now 6 days old. Her milk hasn't come in and she wants to BF. She has pumped once or twice a day with the small battery/electric pump from the toy store. She never saw anyone at the hospital who offered to help her BF. And this is the hospital who wants to apply for Baby Friendly status. Barbara Whitehead, IBCLC Ayden NC (now that I have a BS do I add that to my IBCLC, and if so, before or after?) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:58:51 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: John McCulloch <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Baby bathing one more time MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I understand that a newborn does not need or require a bath while in the hospital. At our hospital, I know that "the bath" is one thing on a long list of required things for the nurses to do before the baby is discharged. I honestly don't know of any mom requesting that her baby not get "the bath." I guess we all have it so ingrained that the bath is good for the baby. I appreciate the knowledge you all have to share and thank you for inspiring me to think on this subject. I remember my son, especially, hated his bath until he was about a month old or so. I wonder if this could be related to the circumcision? I will say, however, that once my children were a few months old it seemed that bath time was a very enjoyable time for both of us. It seemed to calm them and provided a great time to do some baby massage. Also, even though they were all breastfed and not sick often, when they were not feeling well, the bath seemed to help them relax a bit and seemed to help them fall asleep more peacefully. Maybe it was the Chamomile I used in the bath. Who knows? Anyway, for whatever reason, I admit I am one of those moms who gives the baby a bath every day. It just seems like little babies get so dirty getting into things all day. Once they start to eat solid food too they got so messy that we threatened to just take them outside and hose them down. That is a joke, but seriously, they did get awfully messy! As they get older, say 4 or 5, we switched to bathing every other day. Luckily, their eating habits had improved by then! Again, thanks for all the interesting discussion. Lori McCulloch WIC Breastfeeding Coordinator and Peer Counselor [log in to unmask] From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> To: Recipients of LACTNET digests <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: LACTNET Digest - 27 May 1999 - Special issue (#1999-290) *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:05:11 EDT Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was posted several weeks ago but I would like to repeat for those new to the group. Please add your location to your signature line, and maybe your job affiliation so we can get an idea of who is doing what where. Barbara Whitehead, IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:15:17 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sandy Hess <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Contacting Chick-fil-A MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had a few e-mails from folks who said they had trouble getting to the Chick-fil-A site from the address on my posts. I'm not sure why, because I have tried it 3 or 4 times over the last 2 days, and just did so successfully again. Perhaps they are getting so many hits that some are being blocked? Let's hope! However, to shorten the e-mail address a bit, try http://www.chick-fil-a.com and work through the menu to get to the feedback/comment page. Also, a couple of you are not familiar with CFA -- too bad! They have a *wonderful* fried or grilled chicken sandwich, chicken salad, soup, lemonade, brownies, sweet tea, etc. They are often located in malls, but have fairly recently opened separate restaurants of the fast-food variety. The owner, Mr. Cathy is an elderly gentleman who is a strong supporter of families and children. The headquarters is based in Atlanta, GA. Even if there is not a restaurant near you, you may be able to order a T-shirt just by e-mailing a request for their catalog -- assuming they make the shirt and put it in it! They started a very delightful ad campaign a few years ago featuring cows which encourage us to "Eat mor chikin", which have stated that "5 out of 5 cows agree" that chicken is good or healthful, or something like that. There have been quite a few cute slogans, and roadside billboards being "painted" by a cow which is standing on the back of another cow (one of my favorites). To answer another question, the "Cows udderly agree" is not one they have used, but one I came up with and have offered to them for World Breastfeeding Week and this whole endeavor. BTW, I am not trying to say "utterly", but "udderly", (someone had a question about the slogan, with the "correct" spelling of "utterly" -- which is *incorrect* for this campaign.....oh you get the idea ! I will post the promo a few times a day, to alert those who have been "unsubscribed". Again, please print, attach, fax, distribute, etc. with my permission and blessings. Oh, yes....one more thing. I do not own stock in CFA, nor have I met or am related to any employee (that I am aware of)! If the Taco Bell Chihuahua were not a male, who knows? We might be writing Taco Bell instead.....but those cows are sooooo funny! Let's keep this going over the holiday weekend as best we can, but really in earnest next week. By working together, we can pull this off.........otherwise, we could be waiting til the cows come home for another opportunity of this type. In other words, we should milk this for all its worth. ;) Sandy *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:20:18 -0400 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Sandy Hess <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Thanks, Kathy D. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy, that was good advice you posted. Thanks for contacting Chick-fil-A and for the suggestions. Sandy *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:15:21 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Stearns, Crystal" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Mom with impaired immunity Comments: To: "LACTNET (E-mail)" <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Good Morning, I do Mental Health with the Red Cross and Coordinate Critical Incident Stress management for my hospital and the Southeast part of the state of Oklahoma. Your patient sounds like she maybe dealing with stress induced immune problems. This is very common in people who have or are dealing with major stress in theirs lives, i.e. new baby, moving. I saw a lot of this in the firefighters after the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995. She may need to increase her vitamin C and B complex vitamins. I would be glad to fax or mail you a pamphlet on nutrition, that we give out during a critical incident debriefing. Hope this helps Crystal Stearns RNC, MS, IBCLC Mercy Memorial Health Center Ardmore, OK 73401 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lori C. Salisbury [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 4:31 PM > Subject: Mom with impaired immunity > > Lactnetters, > I got a call yesterday from a mom breastfeeding her baby who is almost 6 > months old. She states these past few months she has had several bouts of > sickness (colds, flu) lasting 2 - 3 weeks each. States she is usually a > very healthy person. States her husband is encouraging her to stop > nursing > because he thinks the breastfeeding is "taking her immunities". I > explored > other possible reasons for her being more sick, and she agreed that she > has > been under several "life changes" recently. In the past year she has > moved, > changed jobs, and had a baby, who is now in daycare while she works. > My general suggestions were for her to continue breastfeeding, and that > the > more likely cause for her increase in illness is more likely due to her > stress factors/life changes, plus being exposed to the germs her daughter > is > getting in daycare. She said that her daughter has had a couple colds and > a > couple ear infections - states neither were bad. I emphasized that her > daughter likely would have had more illnesses and been sicker with the > ones > she had if she wasn't breastfed. > I know that breastfeeding doesn't "take immunities" from the mother, but > that the breast manufactures them specifically for baby, but does anyone > know of any more specific research or information about mom's immunities, > etc. while breastfeeding? I told this mom I would ask you and she is > anxious for any more information about this. So far she is hanging in > there > and breastfeeding nearly exclusively (small amounts of formula needed > while > she works despite pumping 3 times during her work day), but any more > information would be appreciated. Please email me since I'm not up to > date > on my posts. ([log in to unmask]) > Thanks, > Lori Salisbury, RN, IBCLC > hospital based LC in Spokane WA *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:57:55 -0500 Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: "Denny Rice, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: yeast Comments: To: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janna, "the Yeast Connection" by William G. Crook, M.D. has lots of good info for people who have and or carry systemic yeast. Much has to do with dietary control. Denny Rice, RN. IBCLC *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html