William Strother ([log in to unmask]) wrote of Beethoven: >Kevin Sutton wrote: > >>... and how many times does he use the Da da da dummmm gesture in his >>works. In many more than just the fifth symphony.! > >But with that and the Op 57 he pretty much got that pattern out of his >system. He used it a lot until then, but not later. Off the top of my head I'd say Charles Ives had referred to it more often that Ludwig did. Deryk Barker [log in to unmask]