Eric James wrote: >I wasn't aware 1812 was frought with bad tunes. Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" >tune has always seemed pretty crude to me, while the similar tune from the >Choral Fantasia sounds much more elegant. Kingsley Amis once said Ode To Joy was probably the most _boring_ of all the great tunes. I think agree with him. Great tunes? The one in the first of the Rachmaninov Symphonic Dances always does it for me. Tony Duggan Staffordshire, United Kingdom.