Tim Hu wrote: >Reminds me of Honegger's 2nd Symphony's last movement when the trombone >finally appears, the first five notes of which sounds really similar to >Beethoven's 3rd's funeral march movement (as well as Mahler's 9th's 3rd >movement) Unless this is another substitution allowed by Honneger, the instrument in question is a trumpet "ad libitum." I say "another substitution" because, from what I have read of Honneger's writings on the symphony, he was ambivalent both on the instrument to be used and *whether* an instrument should be used for the part. He spoke of it as like an organ stop which may or may not be pulled. He also said that he could imagine an oboe or clarinet playing the part, depending on the color desired. I never read of him advocating a trombone, but anything's possible. As a trombonist, I'd say why not, but I've never heard of this done or advocated. Maybe someone else has? (As to why not, probably because sounding an octave lower--unless you're using an alto trombone or a tenor playing high screech--may not work in these textures.) Roger Hecht