When I told my (older) sister about teaching OB nursing last year, we began comparing what was done when her children were born (22 and 19 years ago) with what is done now. Jackie reminisced about how good the heat lamp felt on her swollen perineum. When I explained that ice is used these days, she was horrified. I guess ice always sounds worse than it feels. Margie Forrest, who will (for the sake of science only) be a subject in the Scotch study with Carol Brussel