Hi All I noticed the thread on the feeders and what to put in. Another thing, similar to the hay Andy mentioned, is to use polystyrene pellets from packing material. I use these and find they work reasonably well - if however the bees get overexcited they tend to push each other under, so using a dilutish sugar is better. The bees chew the styrofoam up and use it in their propolis - so if your are selling propolis this is not a good idea. Another thing that is quite interesting is how they stick all the pieces together after a while making almost a raft. Reduces the efficiency of the setup though. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey After careful consideration, I have decided that if I am ever a V.I.P the I. may not stand for important. (rather influential, ignorant, idiotic, intelectual, illadvised etc)