Hi Tom As regors your propolis question: how to get it of your suit - I have had this problem with it getting on my shirts (I usually avoid suits as they cause you to get stung) To remove place a jar with chloroform under the stain - place another jar on the other side and push it's neck into contact with the chlorform jar - invert repeatedly until most of the stain is disolved. Then, use a little clean just to remove the excess stain. Works quite well - anything the chloroform does not dissolve can be dissolved by a hot wash in your washing machine with a bioactive washing powder. As regards the elastic bands on the sleeves: Bees always get in suits - unless you are working scutellata it should not be neccessary to wear a suit - they cause you to get stung - remember, if you use your smoker right any bee which gets inside your suit does not actually want to sting you - it wants to get out - and if your suit is all sealed, that is difficult - a loose t-shirt with the bottome untucked is much better and you get stung less - if neccessary wear a veil. It must be white. Hope that helps Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey After careful consideration, I have decided that if I am ever a V.I.P the I. may not stand for important. (rather influential, ignorant, idiotic, intelectual, illadvised etc)