Having major computer problems - please unsubscribe - thanks! Automatic digest processor wrote: > Subject: LACTNET Digest - 16 Apr 1998 to 17 Apr 1998 - Special issue > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:00:15 -0400 > From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> > To: Recipients of LACTNET digests <[log in to unmask]> > > There are 14 messages totalling 379 lines in this issue. > > Topics in this special issue: > > 1. bedside co-sleeper (3) > 2. D.C. Metro area tv show > 3. Fw: "go and sin no more" > 4. Breastfeeding Tips on Moms Online-was re: hydrogen peroxide > 5. Co-Sleepers > 6. Recommending and Selling Hydrogel > 7. Passing on information > 8. Need help > 9. atten ibcle studenten > 10. I have sinned/ penance > 11. more penance > 12. update on toddler not gaining (HRS) > > To post a note to the 1830+ subscribers of LACTNET, send your note to > [log in to unmask] > To change your subscription options as in those listed below, send computer > commands listed below, via e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > > To leave LACTNET---- UNSUBSCRIBE LACTNET > To temporarily stop your subscription------ SET LACTNET NOMAIL > To restart mail after being nomail -------------- SET LACTNET MAIL > For Information on other commands------------ HELP > For Information on Search Functions------------- INFO REFCARD > Don't Know How To "Work" Lactnet? Send e-mail to [log in to unmask] > with message reading: Get Lactnet Welcome > > LACTNET WWW Archives : http://library.ummed.edu/lsv/archives/lactnet.html > > For further help, write to Lactnet Listmoms at: > Kathleen B. Bruce BSN, IBCLC [log in to unmask] > Kathleen G. Auerbach Ph.D, IBCLC [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask] > > LACTNET QUILT RAFFLE- > See details at http://together.net/~kbruce/kbblact.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: bedside co-sleeper > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:45:12 -0400 > From: Laura or Scott Barmby <[log in to unmask]> > > I have not used these products or really recommended them because to me > they are designed for very short term use. They do not give much room for > baby to grow (at least not for mine which were 18lbs + by four months!) > > What I have recommended to women, (or their husbands) who were reluctant to > have the baby in bed for fear of overlaying it is to either put mom in the > middle and baby by the side with a bed rail; or to bring the crib up next > to the bed, drop the rail and remove casters on the leg to lower the crib. > They can lower the mattress so that it is bed height so mom can be close to > baby and just pull it over to nurse on the adult bed > > What I have found is that after doing this arrangement the baby spends so > much time in the adult bed anyway that the parent who had been reluctant to > try this gets used to the baby being there and they end up with a family > bed. Case in point is my best friend,( who I didn't think would breastfeed > for very long in the first place and whose husband regarded her breasts as > his property!),tried breastfeeding, and at my suggestion, the above > mentioned crib/bed arrangement and is now still nursing her 18 month old! > She and her husband just sat down with the baby's grandparents and told > them "the baby is going to nurse until she is ready to wean and she will > continue to sleep in our bed as long as she wants!" > > So my thinking is however you can get them to try it, after a "break in > period" for the parents, they will often prefer sleeping with their baby > near by and most will nurse longer as well, in my opinion. > > Laura Barmby > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: D.C. Metro area tv show > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:57:33 -0400 > From: Laura or Scott Barmby <[log in to unmask]> > > As promised, here is the call in number: (703)912-1430. Calls will be > taken after 10:10 am until 11:00am on Monday, April 20. > > If anyone wants to call and say how great breastfeeding is, or how > important it is to help moms in the workplace as well as at home, please > call. > > Laura > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Fw: "go and sin no more" > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:49:33 -0000 > From: litthome <[log in to unmask]> > > ---------- > > From: litthome <[log in to unmask]> > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: "go and sin no more" > > Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 10:56 PM > > > > Sorry Rob, I can't do the real thing...but my suggested penance is a > > scavenger hunt to remove all the ABM ads and taking lots of $$$$ to the > > vendor area of any BF conference you attend this year to replace them > with > > more suitable messages! (and mugs from the previously much discussed > > restaurants DON'T count!)BTW, would any of you be willing to share what > you > > plan to go to this year? I'm hoping to put some faces to these names! > > > > Peggy Litt > > (planning since last year to go to Santa Fe in July but sorely tempted to > > go to AZ instead!!!) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: bedside co-sleeper > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:23 -0500 > From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > > Laura, I loved your story! And your approach to the reluctant ones. I've > seen this happen too. I must remember to trust that the parents will, in > time, fall in love with baby, and will change their expectations radically. > > Patricia Gima, IBCLC > Milwaukee > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Breastfeeding Tips on Moms Online-was re: hydrogen peroxide > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:03:56 -0400 > From: Andrea Eastman <[log in to unmask]> > > Hello! I am the new Breastfeeding and Childbirth Education Pro for Moms > Online WWW. I have contacted the appropriate people about removing > potentially harmful tips. She agrees and will remove several of them > soon. > > For future tips, the new review process will be this -- they will be > sent to me for "verification", and then I send them to several other > people. If we all > agree, then the tip goes online. If we don't, the tip is turned down. > > I apologize for not catching this sooner - I have been very busy > answering questions in my WWW folder, as well as helping with the AOL > folder. If you see any other tips that concern you, please contact me > privately, and we'll do something about it! > > If any of you would like to submit your favorite tips, they would be > greatly appreciated. Several of the ones online currently will soon be > deleted. Please help replace them with good, accurate, safe > information! > > Moms Online WWW: http://www.momsonline.com > > Moms Online Breastfeeding Tips WWW: > http://momsonline.com/tips/home.asp?key=M0402 > > :-) > Andrea > > -- > Andrea Eastman, MA, CCE > Granville, Ohio > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > Gentle Birth Alternatives > http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8978 > > “The only thing new in this world is the history you don’t know.” > - Harry Truman > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Co-Sleepers > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:21:55 -0400 > From: kym smythe <[log in to unmask]> > > Hi Rob et al, > > I've worked with several moms of multiples who have used the > co-sleepers. They really like them. > > One particular family has twins on monitors. They have the units > on the floor beside the co-sleeper. They all sleep so much better. > When there is a true alarm, they are right there. For all those > false alarms, mom and dad don't wake up and run across the hall for > nothing then find themselves unable to sleep for all the adrenalin. > > Aside from being helpful for people that are fearful of sleeping with > their babies, they really help when the parent's bed is too small to > comfortably accomodate everyone all night. > > My twins and I spent lots of time in one in the exhibit hall at ILCA > last year. We enjoyed it and wish we had one! > > Our .02, > Kym, Kendall, and Carlie > New Castle, DE, USA > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Recommending and Selling Hydrogel > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:06:10 -0400 > From: kym smythe <[log in to unmask]> > > Greetings from rainy, breezy New Castle, DE, USA. > > We have been unable to find hydrogel in drug stores and can't even > persuade anyone to order them around here. I've received some samples > and am considering carrying them myself. I've heard some rumblings > that doing so may cause me to incur too much liability. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? How might it differ from > the liability in carrying L------h or other such products? > > Anyone have any wisdom in persuading local pharmacies to carrying > hydrogel products? > > Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Kym > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Passing on information > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:53 -0500 > From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > > It is fine to pass on information from Lactnet to your clients, but I'd > like to remind everyone that anything that is passed on, or printed, even > with permission, should be done so _without_ the e-mail addresses of > Lactnetters. > > Mothers with breastfeeding problems need to be in contact with a local > breastfeeding specialist when being treated. By-mail consultations are not > satisfactory. > > Patricia Gima, IBCLC > Milwaukee > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Need help > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:16:37 -0500 > From: "Katherine A. Dettwyler" <[log in to unmask]> > > I've been contacted by a woman facing legal charges involving extended bf, > among other things. One of the issues is whether or not children who are > sick can tolerate breast milk/breastfeeding even when they can't/won't take > other foods. If anyone has anecdotal stories or research studies that > discuss this issue, please send them to me by private email as soon as > possible. Thanks. > I know there has been some discussion about this before, but could > not find it via the search function. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Katherine A. Dettwyler, Ph.D. email: [log in to unmask] > Anthropology Department phone: (409) 845-5256 > Texas A&M University fax: (409) 845-4070 > College Station, TX 77843-4352 > http://www.prairienet.org/laleche/dettwyler.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: bedside co-sleeper > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:19:10 EDT > From: Singdoula <[log in to unmask]> > > About the question Robert Cordes posted re: the co-sleeper > We were about to purchase it, but found the size too small for our babies ( > our kids are huge and will sleep with us till age 3, even 4!) We have a king > size bed against two walls. The open side is protected with an in expensive > bed guard. Instead of the co-sleeper (for the same price) we invested in a > simple twin day bed that's only open side is pushed to the foot of our king > size bed. It is EXACTLY the same lenghth as is the width of our king > size.....yes, our room is literally a BED room, but we can have a choice of > having babies on each side of the king size, or on the daybed..... Or leave > the babies on the King, and mom and dad snuggle on the twin. Several of my > clients have tried this same arrangement and LOVE it. The great thing is that > eventually you'll have an extra twin bed for a child or guests. We have never > had to use a crib or bassinet! > good luck, > Adriana Samargia Kaufman, PLA > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: atten ibcle studenten > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:19:33 EDT > From: CBrussel <[log in to unmask]> > > anyone planning to take the test want to have a side conversation? anyone who > has taken the test wish to offer suggestions/advice/etc.? I know, take the > seminar. i'm working on it. meanwhile, back to your regular channel restored > to service after giving us a brief sample of life without lactnet. > > email me privately at > [log in to unmask] > > carol > > ps alright, i confess, i killed lactnet by trying to post a smart*** response > to dr. rob's smart*** remarks > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: I have sinned/ penance > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:19:46 -0400 > From: Robert Cordes DO <[log in to unmask]> > > I think I made up for my sin. > I saw a 2 month old NICU grad who was a slow gainer/weak feeder. > In the past he didnt seem to suck strong enough to stimulate mom's production. He was breastfeeding then getting expressed milk which was fortified to 24 cal/oz (assume 20cal/oz BM) > Now he BF and gets 1 once of expressed milk 3 times a day to help > get down his apnea and reflux meds. He's gaining 1.5 onces a day! > I also saw a thriving 2 week old who wont latch. He's weel over BW on just expressed milk. Mom pumps 10 onces every 3 hours. I fixed him. > Actually one of my nurses did the direct fixing but I told him what every doc learns in residency. Dont mess with the nurse. > BTW I do periodically check my office for anti-BF material and throw it out. This includes some popular baby magazines. > -Rob > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: more penance > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:22:40 -0400 > From: Robert Cordes DO <[log in to unmask]> > > I know a nurse who has gone from asking me about weaning to asking about BF through her pregnancy. Her OB doesnt like the idea. > I gave her info from Ruth Lawrence's text and from the BAB. > I also suggested she ask her OB why he doesnt like it and his proof for his opinion. > That's kind of Dr Jack-ish of me isnt it? > -Rob > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: update on toddler not gaining (HRS) > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:58:47 EDT > From: PatIBCLC <[log in to unmask]> > > The toddler, now 15 months old, that I've been working with for the past six > months has finally started gaining after not gaining for 7 months. She was > the baby who HRS had hospitalized with diagnosis of FTT. She had been > hospitalized for a week and had all types of test which showed no clue to why > she had stopped gaining weight. HRS concluded it must be due to neglect on > the part of the mother. At that time, she had little interest in eating though > she did enjoy nursing frequently (HRS felt if the mother would stop > breastfeeding or limit it and feed more, baby would gain). After mom got her > out of hospital, she changed doctors to my office and we have been doing > weekly weight checks and working with mom to get this child gaining since. I > think it's been about a month ago that I posted her estimated caloric intake > of about 750-800 calories per day and her weight was then 14 lbs. 1 oz. She > was taking in about 15 oz of breastmilk in 24 hr (used Baby Weigh Scale) and > another 350-450 calories of solids. Still no gain. She then had her second > ear infection in about three months, the first of which followed her hospital > stay. > > So many of you responded to that post. It was incredible! Several made the > suggestion that maybe the problem was due to allergies. I was starting to > think along these lines myself with the second ear infection. I shared all > your post with the mother and we agreed that two foods should be removed from > her diet, dairy and peanut butter. Peanut butter was replace with almond > butter. In the past 2 weeks, she has gained a whole pound! > > When I shared her weight gain with the Dr. Carr (the doc that I work for who > was willing to go to court for this mother if HRS didn't back off), he was so > excited that he almost did back flips. He said we should write a paper about > this case entitled, "Just because you smell dog poop, Doesn't mean there's > crap" and be sure that HRS gets a copy of it. > > Thanks so very much to all of you who offered suggestions and encouragement. > Special thanks to Karen Zeretzke for sharing your thoughts on malabsorbtion of > nutrients due to allergies. > > Warmly, > Pat Lindsey, IBCLC near Orlando, FL