Hi Walt As regards your sting to the eye: Eyes are big puffy sacks (well the tissue around them) - very little disturbance in the balance of liquid inside these cavities and outside is required to make you look like a monster. One can easily reach the stage when a sting on the hand or arm does not swell for more than about 15 min, or not at all by being regularily and numerously stung. I have however only had one occasion where I boosted my tolerance to beestings to the point where a sting to the eye had no major noticeable effect, and that was after three bad days in which my total stings ran just over 240 - I prefer to have a funny eye than to go through that sort of preperation. (As regards the high sting count it had to do with a little problem with using an electric jig saw to cut open a roof where a rather large hive was nesting and a not so well made smoker that went out etc) Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey If parents taught kids about the birds and bees, guys would believe they were half the women they used to be!! Standard Disclaimer applies to this post.