A somewhat tongue in cheek response to the thought that organic honey means no contact with apistan/mineral oil and so forth might be as follows: Consider that commercial airlines have chemical toilets. Sometimes "blue ice" chunks fall off of planes and land (with amusing results if the landing place is someone's home). What would happen to "organic farming" if we could not certify any farm as organic unless it could prove that no airplanes ever flew overhead? It would seem that we should note: 1) Organic with nothing used to treat varroa and from a pure forage location. Evidently this honey could also be marketed as "African honey" because it can't be done in the continental US or Europe. 2) organic (with no treatments added- presumably honey from a dying hive if located in the US or other varroa-infested country). 3) "organic" but using mineral oil or some other food-grade product 4) "unheated and unfiltered honey" (for those who want to use the stuff for their allergies) 5) "unheated but filtered" 6) regular heated filtered honey. It's assumed that 4, 5, and 6 may have apistan on when there is no honey flow. what do you think? Is this a reasonable division of consumer preferences? Phil [log in to unmask]