CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 2d8c097b REPLY: 240:44/0 182daca8 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(227) I concur with Murray Mcgregor and go further, Dr Juliet Osborne's radar tracking of bees clearly shows that the bees from the researchers hives do not pollinate the plants on adjacent testplots but fly farther afield beyond the one kilometer recorded by the radar scanner. Because of the bee's very nature, their foraging distance,the necessity to control varroa with hard or soft chemicals acids whatever, I doubt that anything we now do can be described as "Organic". Here in England, the "Soil Association" (regulator for organics) describe beewax foundation as UN- organic for a start. greetings from the Garden of England [log in to unmask] --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116)