New Zealand's packing of honey is done predominantly by producer/ packers. Though there are sometimes an 'us/them' attitude, the producer/packers are an integrated part of the industry for the most part. One hears the argument that since they are packers, they would be trying to talk the price of honey down so they could purchase from beekeepers cheaper. That argument doesn't stand up to the fact that it is really in their interests to be paying a *high* price for the honey they buy - because that means their *own* production has a greater value... (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home [log in to unmask] (/ work [log in to unmask] NZ Beekeeping http://www.beekeeping.co.nz