Oh!, and now we someone who has something against old women :-) > ---------- > From: Edd Chamberlin[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > Reply To: Discussion of Bee Biology > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 3:38 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Very Agressive WORN OUT THE SEQUEL!!]] > > You people sound like a bunch of old women!! > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:05:08 -0600 "Marlin (SCOTT) Kline" > <[log in to unmask]> writes: > >ANDY IF YOU POSSIBLY HAVE GIVEN THOUGHT THAT WAS A LOVE LETTER FROM > >KATHY YOU ARE > >PROBABLY GETTING WARM FUZZES ABOUT NOW FROM THE LETTER I SENT YOU > >YOU ARE A MUCH LARGER A$$HOLE THAN YOU GIVE YOURSELF CREDIT FOR." > >IMHO" MAYBE YOU > >SHOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER LIST TO SUBSCRIBE TO~~~~~~~~~ttyl~~~~~~ > >the bee cop with the badge and in some > >areas a gun dressed in his green > >suit. > > > >Andy Nachbar wrote: > > > >> Hello Kathy and thanks for the Love Letter, I am sorry that you > have > >such a > >> low personal opinion of my posts and I am sure you are not alone. I > >will > >> try to do better in the future as I surely do not know it all and > >have room > >> for some improvement in my life. > >> > >> I will make a few points since I have rung your bell I might as > well > >add to > >> your lists of personal grievances. If you are not interested you > are > >free > >> and welcome to add me to your reader's byte bucket list and should > >do it > >> now before reading any farther. > >> > >> (EXIT NOW) > >> > >> 1st and most important I have always been up front with what I post > >and I > >> always try to impress all readers that what I post is "in my own > >humble > >> opinion" (IMHO), and what I write should not be taken as anything > >more then > >> the Bee Gospel according to my own experiences from a lifetime > >within the > >> Beekeeping Industry and in my own beehives and many others. I am > >sure > >> other's may have done the time but I would not expect them to have > >the same > >> opinion's or express them in the same style as I do, if at all, > >that's life.. > >> > >> I do pride myself on being honest and truthful in what I say but > >admit that > >> I use a style of writing that I hope makes other's think and in no > >way is > >> intended to do any more then cause all to read what I write. I do > >not write > >> the politically correct post as anyone can see. It may be seen as > >> aggressive by some, but other's take a certain amount of pride to > >have been > >> the subject of one of my so called report's and some do make > changes > >> because of them and many of these victims are in real life > >considered my > >> friends. Maybe it is a painful learning process which is the norm > >when > >> working with bees or the Internet. Everyone who read's what I write > >is free > >> to e-mail any challenge to what I post and they do and I have at > >times > >> admitted I was wrong in my opinion's which have not been cast in > >stone or > >> handed down from above. > >> > >> Some feeling and ego's do get bruised but that is the nature of > this > >thing > >> we call language and the impersonal nature of the Internet's news > >groups, > >> list mail, and e-mail,.. most experienced readers and posters do > not > >and > >> should not take what anyone write's as personal. I am sorry for > >those who > >> do shed a tear because they felt they were personally attacked and > >can only > >> say to them it's a two way street of experience and if anyone feels > >they > >> were personally offended they are free here to express their own > >opinions. > >> A common mistake that we all make and that is reading something > into > >> other's post that was not intended by the sender. I do not have > time > >for > >> personal fights or personal attack's in my life's work, but know > >that my > >> style of writing can be the subject of mis interpretation by those > >who may > >> read what I write, not all do as many do not like long winded posts > >or > >> posts that ramble, both are the norm for me, and all are welcome > not > >to > >> read them. > >> > >> I don't expect many to agree with what I write and yet every week I > >am > >> asked for permission to use what I have written in one way or > >another and > >> this gives me the warm fuzzes but also does surprise me and I have > >without > >> effort, other then what is required to make a post, became one the > >most > >> quoted beekeepers on the world wide net. I don't know if this is > >good, but > >> for sure many want to read what I have to say and are not turned > off > >by how > >> I say it and find my effort's worthwhile or they would not be > making > >the > >> efforts to add my words to their own web pages, newsletter's, real > >> newspaper's, books, and other not so friendly places. > >> > >> Anyway I am in no way offended when other's don't agree with me > >personally > >> and welcome and encourage all to express their own opinions and I > do > >not > >> judge anyone because he or she has expressed a differing opinion or > >do I > >> try to belittle those who ask questions as I found out a long time > >ago the > >> only bad question is the one that was not asked and believe it or > >not I > >> learn by what other's ask. I have personally set up a "auto > >responder" for > >> new bee's who want some basic information and it is well used to > the > >point > >> that I seldom mention it as it costs me dearly, but thankfully > >others have > >> followed my lead and several "auto responders" are now installed on > >the > >> Internet for beekeeper's use. > >> > >> I also believe that "if you can do it better then I, then have at > >it!". I > >> personally plan on continuing with my own efforts as long as I am > >able as I > >> have a lot to say and have just began to say it. > >> > >> >I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds like you did the right > things, > >if > >> >anything you erred to the side of caution and IMHO, that is a good > >> >thing. > >> > >> What was that you say, someone may have errored.., IMHO it was one > >error > >> that so many beekeepers, new and old make, and that is looking to > >> government to solve a common everyday beekeeping problem. > >> > >> >As for Andy Nachbaur's other comments about "Afro Bee Slash and > >Burn" > >> >"quarantine boss with star and gun at the ready"; it appears to me > >that > >> >Andy has some problem with the current method of quarantine being > >used > >> >in this country to attempt to stop/slow the spread of african > >honeybees > >> > >> Yes, this includes ALL US bee quarantines which have done nothing > to > >stop, > >> slow down or cure any beekeeping problem and in fact have ruined > the > >lives > >> of so many good beekeepers and their families who were no different > >from > >> anyone else on this earth other then to have been the victims of > the > >zeal > >> of others. At least one death can be pointed out as a direct result > >of one > >> of the bee quarantines though not from a gun shot or bee stings but > >a > >> broken heart and many others have suffered such a degree of damage > >that no > >> amount of liberal rhetoric can ever make them whole again or will I > >ever > >> personally forgive those whom I know were responsible or those in > >positions > >> of responsibility who did nothing but fan the fires knowing all > >along that > >> it was wrong. The US bee quarantines have been so bad that even the > >US > >> government agency that was responsible for them now uses them as an > >example > >> of what not to do in their internal training operations. Even the > >AHB > >> guarantee is due to expire because the science behind it is so poor > >that > >> any lower court challenge would end it anyway.(IMHO) > >> > >> >I recall an earlier post in which he advises someone looking for > >African > >> >honeybee stock to breed in the US, that he contact some of the > guys > >behind > >> >quarantine lines to get AHB breeding stock. > >> > >> I did that? It is my own opinion that since we have AHB we should > >take our > >> heads out of our sand boxes., It is time we got to know our bees > >including > >> the AHB personally and up close and work and use them, not as > attack > >dogs, > >> but use some of their well known productive qualities to make > >improvement > >> to most any stock now in this country. We don't have to import them > >via > >> some government program as they are here now in abundance, nor do > we > >have > >> to relied on the judgement of persons with nothing to gain or lose > >in > >> choosing the right stock for ourselves. Believe it or not many > >beekeepers > >> in the US are doing what I have suggested above and they do live > >with fear, > >> and that's not right. Man or beekeepers should have the right to > use > >what > >> God has provided without fear of punishment or destruction from his > >fellow > >> man the bee cop with the badge and in some areas a gun dressed in > >his green > >> suit. > >> > >> Well for a fact if there are so called quarantine lines they have > >not kept > >> beekeepers from moving in and out of these areas such as bees from > >Texas > >> and other states known to have AHB, (now including California, an > >infested > >> state) and these same bees can be found in both the South, East, > >West and > >> North and have not caused any reported problems and have added to > >the > >> wealth of this county with honey production and pollination of many > >> agricultural crops, then what good are quarantines other then to > >provide > >> employment to government people whom could be doing other more > >productive > >> things like checking meat for bad smells or bugs and chemicals. > >> > >> >I figured when no one blasted him for that (IMO irresponsible) > >post, > >> >that most everyone here on BEE-L had come to appreciate Andy for > >his > >> >forwarding of other peoples info, press releases, etc. but had > >learned > >> >to ignore much of what he personally had to say > >> > >> >(I was lucky to have been forewarned). > >> > >> You may have been the victim of some poor information but you make > >it sound > >> like there is a "Kill the OLd Drone Club".<G> But as long as you > >read what > >> I write I believe in time you may with real time beekeeping > >experience have > >> a somewhat more moderate opinion on ignoring what I and other > >commercial > >> beekeepers have to say and may even change your open personal > >attacks on my > >> own opinions and my posts made at great personal investment and > >without > >> expectations of rewards or even the recovery of out of pocket > costs. > >> > >> I seldom blow my own horn like this but I take great pride in the > >numbers > >> of people who over the years have taken the time to come up to me > >> personally, sometimes years later, and tell me how that at one time > >they > >> thought I had one wheel off the track but they have with experience > >changed > >> their own opinion's and think it is important enough to personally > >tell me > >> that I was on the right track all the time. This is the only real > >reward I > >> get for my personal public efforts and does make it worthwhile and > >calms my > >> own fears and cold chills I get when so many times I have stood up > >alone > >> before National and State Beekeeping groups, University Boards, the > >> Legislature's, and the Court's, trying in my own way to protect > >myself and > >> my industry from those who would do us as individuals under by > >telling it > >> in my own way as I see it and it has worked well and I would be > >happy to > >> give you details but will not take the time now. I have always > >included all > >> beekeepers in my efforts and do not judge individuals by the number > >of bees > >> they have or the reason they have them or even what they post to > >newsgroups > >> or list mailers but I read them all as time permits and even the > >personal > >> Love Letters from other readers. > >> > >> IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone > > >