Jerry, I would be interested, as others might, however at this point there has been no ascii representation of the variables tracked by the various software packages. I was hoping that part of the brainstorming would be the ennumeration of the various pieces of information collected as well as the justification for keeping the information. As a non-commercial (5 hives) beekeeper my interest would be on the hive data points. A larger operation would be interested as well on the apiary information, work assignment information, pollination contracts, bee race, queen supplier, etc. etc. Maybe as a starting point for discussion hive specific data points could be listed and open for discussion. Regards, Jim Moore