This OLd Drone is eating a little crow, and at last one of his opinions was wrong and he, (I) made a mistake and apologize to all as Dr. Erickson points out in this note in the past he has shared the glory of research with beekeepers and he is right and I acknowledge that I made a mistake and accept that I was wrong. Dr. Erickson is the beekeepers friend. IMHO The public other then you and I are not going to take the time to research the record and sadly all they will ever know about this subject is what they read in the latest "news" paper fillers on honeybees and what the USDA puts out as press releases on the their web site. What I wrote is based on what I and what I think the public has or will see "today" on this subject and in my humble opinion I tried to express that in my posting as accurate and the best I could. I am not perfect, I am not a bee scientist, I am a old opinionated beekeeper who has a small cancer on the end of his proboscis that maybe sometimes blurs what I see and I do make mistakes. Or at least I did as far as Dr. Erickson efforts to acknowledge beekeepers collaboration with him in the past based on what I read and have seen the last week in the farm papers and on the United States Department of Agriculture web site of their own AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH MAGAZINE for May 1997 at: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/may97/ Have a look and judge for yourselves if the public is being given the facts. ttul Andy- the OLd Drone This message was from "Eric H. Erickson, Jr." <[log in to unmask]> ---------------------------------------- From: "Eric H. Erickson, Jr." <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:50:09 -0600 Subject: Plagiarism re-cell size Organization: USDA-ARS Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Now that opinion in the absence of fact has been expressed, let me take just a moment to provide the facts. The first recent (since the 1930's or thereabouts) article on the subject of honey bee comb cell size was published in Gleanings In Bee Culture (Feb.-Mar., 1990) with the "Beekeepers" (Dee and Ed Lusby) as co-authors. By mutual agreement I was the senior author and did much of the writing. In this article we included our collective speculations. Since that time I have published/co-published 3 additional articles that in one way or another relate to the subject of cell size (Gleanings, Nov. 1990: Ame. Bee J.: April 1992; and Amer, Bee J.: May 1996). In each I was careful to cite our original article and/or ackowledge contributions made by the Lusby's. The news release over which this 'issue' was raised is a report on varroa research which I and other Arizona beekeepers (not the Lusby's this time) collaborated in from 1992 to 1995. I reported the results of this work at the American Honey Producers meeting in Corpus Christie, TX two years ago. The Lusby's were there and I acknowledged them at that time. A manuscript has been submitted for publication on this latest work and, as before, our earlier paper (with the Lusby's) is cited. The Lusby's and I regularly talk about our respective work on the subject of cell size. They are pursuing their interests and I mine, and we share our further ideas and results. Dee has been urging me to publish the work I reported in Corpus Christie and when I sent her a a copy of the subject news release she called me with her excited congratulations. These are the facts minus any opinion. Any one who is interested in the facts and chooses to check them can do so easily. Eric H. Erickson --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ I am not young enough to know everything anymore.