Hi Barry,At one time I had 350 " Langstroth" style hives and all that was used was your beloved "Duragilt". It proved itself to be cost and labour efficient time wise. Now the way to go can be found on Jim Satterfield's page on the "KTBH",no manmade foundation necessary. BTW,how did you get your name and e/mail add. to match? Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at<[log in to unmask]>