Bill Truesdell wrote: Hi Bill! I have reduced your message a bit to ask a couple of questions. The theory involves some points totally new to me. > > Forgive me if I violate any etiquette. This is my first try at sending > something to the list. > > I and some others think that some of the mite control we get from > menthol and even the "oils" used by some comes from the heat generated > by the bees to fan out the vapor from the hive. If you look at most of > the methods to control mites, especially tracheal, they all involve > irritating gasses introduced into the hive. First, how do we know bees "fan" to reduce the "irritant" oils, as opposed to fanning to eliminate moisture (evaporating nector), or heat on a 95 F. June day? > When the bees fan, they increase their body temperature. I believe > they can go as high as 120-122F which should be high enough to kill > any mites in their trachea. I am under the impression that the brood box temperature is not allowed to go higher than about 92.5 F, and it would appear to me that if a really significant number of bees were fanning the central brood box temperature would be much higher than this..Do you know whether this measurement has been taken and proven under these circumstances? Is there data somewhere that shows what temperature it takes to kill mites? Some data suggests that mites are well controlled by vegetable oil in the brood box (presumably because bred and fertile female mites are out and looking for a new home, a *young* bee perhaps 4-7 days old that will provide comfort for a long residence----and not finding the oil coat on a bee matching that of a bee that age, she is forced to take an old host that flys off, dies too early and carries the young mite to a premature death. Or, perhaps the bred mite never selects a new host and dies looking? > It works with us. Our bodies create a fever to kill viral and > bacterial infections. The same increased temperature should also > work to kill trachel mites. Would appreciate your comments. The analogy of human defense mechanisms to Apis may be a bit much, so suffice say that in the case of human temp elevations (very rarely over 5.5 F.) to the suggested 30 F. elevation as the bee defends leaves some doubt in my mind as to exactly how this would work. Remember also, the human temp elevation may impair the ability of the bacteria to reproduce, other Mechanisms (White blood cell activities, antibodies, and antibiotics are presumably more important. (I am a retired physician). I hope you can fill us in on some of your other thoughts about this, or share with us your data source. The theory is interesting, but needs some substantiating data. Thanks! Bob Barnett