I have some old shallow supers that will need foundation this year, and because of the discussion on Bee-L I'd like to use plastic. But with the exception of Duragilt, plastic foundation for shallow supers seems to be non-existent. Pierco only makes deep and medium. Mann Lake carried shallow Permadent last year, but no longer list it in their catalog. Do few people use shallow supers today? Does anyone know where I can still find Permadent or other plastic foundation with molded cell indentations? Thanks, Tim Timothy W. Kelsey Dept of Agricultural Economics [log in to unmask] & Rural Sociology (814) 865-9542 Penn State University http://www.aers.psu.edu/f/kelsey.htm