For Information About International Pediatric Chat and How to use it www.pedschat.org At 09:03 AM 10/28/96 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:03:19 -0500 >Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> >Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> >From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: LACTNET Digest - 27 Oct 1996 to 28 Oct 1996 - Special issue >To: Recipients of LACTNET digests <[log in to unmask]> > >There are 8 messages totalling 417 lines in this issue. > >Topics in this special issue: > > 1. npo before surgery > 2. tea tree oil > 3. IBCLC > 4. LACTNET Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996 > 5. Passing IBCLC > 6. OPPS! > 7. npo before circ > 8. yeast > >To post to the subscribers of LACTNET, send your note to >[log in to unmask] >To change your subscription options as in those listed below, send commands >in e-mail to: [log in to unmask] >Note that LISTSERV is a *computer program,* not a human, so don't add punctu- >ation or words like "please." Here are some commonly-used *commands*: > To leave LACTNET, write: SIGNOFF LACTNET > To temporarily stop your subscription, write: SET LACTNET NOMAIL > For information on other commands, write: HELP > LACTNET WWW site: http://www.mcs.com/~auerbach/lactation.html > LACTNET archives on WWW: http://library.ummed.edu/lsv/archives/lactnet.html > > >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:05:13 -0500 >From: "Laurie Wheeler, RNC, MN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: npo before surgery > >Hi all, >Saw a spot on CNN Headline News tonite. Anesthesiologists were talking about >patients needing their caffeine and going thru caffeine withdrawal during >surgeries. Anyway, to relate it to bf, the dr. said many are reviewing and >revising their recommendations re NPO for surgery, from 8 hrs down to 4 or >even 2 hrs. And they could then allow that anxious pt his cup of coffee >prior to surg. They were speaking of adult pts, obviously, but maybe this >will trickle down and more will allow the little ones their "fix" too. >Laurie wheeler >Louisiana >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:05:14 -0500 >From: "Laurie Wheeler, RNC, MN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: tea tree oil > >Hi again, >Saw an ad in Bright-Life (mail order catalog), Box 3703, Hicksville NY, >11855-3703 for tea tree soap. The ad stated "new soap treats fungus and skin >problems" "antiseptic oil from the Australian Tea Tree" "bursting with 100% >tea tree oil." >Anyway, I'm not endorsing, just remember that this was mentioned as an >herbal? remedy previously, can be toxic ingested? But maybe the soap would >help with yeast? >laurie wheeler >louisiana >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:52:11 +0000 >From: Patricia Young <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: IBCLC >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Congratulations all! So many new IBCLCs! What an accomplishment for you >and also for us! Isn't it wonderful for all those moms and babes you will >help! >(Ian) I'll try to keep my hands off the return when not appropriate! Thanks >for the tip. BF kids are so smart!) >Pat Young in SNJ, USA >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 06:24:06 -0600 >From: Julius Edlavitch <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: LACTNET Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I plan to schedule this time for Lactational professionals and interested >parties to chat live about lactation issues. > >Every Monday at 22:00 New York Time >on chat server "chat.tc.umn.edu" > >channel "pediatrics" > >for information about International Pediatric Chat >for information how to get the program to do live chat >for infromation about registering for International Pediatric Chat > >Please join us > > >At 12:00 AM 10/28/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:00:30 -0500 >>Reply-To: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> >>Sender: Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]> >>From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: LACTNET Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996 >>To: Recipients of LACTNET digests <[log in to unmask]> >> >>There are 14 messages totalling 256 lines in this issue. >> >>Topics of the day: >> >> 1. meds and bf >> 2. Fitting in All Those Initials >> 3. Karen - hair dye, etc. >> 4. LACTNET: LACTNET Digest 26 Oct 1996 >> 5. breastfeeding cards >> 6. Vomiting & Oestrogen >> 7. Congratulations to new IBCLCs >> 8. "this day sucked" >> 9. low bone density >> 10. calcitonin >> 11. contrast medium-pump & dump? >> 12. Printing out >> 13. about those exam results >> 14. IBCLC >> >>To post to the subscribers of LACTNET, send your note to >>[log in to unmask] >>To change your subscription options as in those listed below, send commands >>in e-mail to: [log in to unmask] >>Note that LISTSERV is a *computer program,* not a human, so don't add punctu- >>ation or words like "please." Here are some commonly-used *commands*: >> To leave LACTNET, write: SIGNOFF LACTNET >> To temporarily stop your subscription, write: SET LACTNET NOMAIL >> For information on other commands, write: HELP >> LACTNET WWW site: http://www.mcs.com/~auerbach/lactation.html >> LACTNET archives on WWW: >http://library.ummed.edu/lsv/archives/lactnet.html >> >> >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:14:00 -0400 >>From: "Laurie Wheeler, RNC, MN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: meds and bf >> >>In a message dated 96-10-26 20:06:24 EDT, Jay writes >><< What type of meds are used for kidney probs related to diabetes? >> Are any of these meds NOT ok for BF? >> If there are some that ARE ok with BF, what are they? >> >>Jay, >>I don't know the answer, but I do know I would counsel the mother to ask 1) >>are meds really necessary now? 2) are there other treatment options? 3) would >>closer monitoring suffice? - since you said she is asymptomatic 4) is this >>the only med for this condition? 5) can we find another/others that are bf >>compatible? >>I think these are the questions re meds that moms should be asking and dr's >>should respect how important bf is - moms should try to find a dr that does. >>What would the dr do if the mom was pg? Would she be told to abort so she >>could take the med? Why then are we so often told to wean? >>Off the soapbox, >>Laurie Wheeler, Rnc, Mn, Ibclc >>Violet LA >>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:32:40 -0700 >>From: "Donna Zitzelberger BSN, CLE" <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Fitting in All Those Initials >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Went to the security office yesterday to get a new work badge. The man who >>waited on me made a heroic effort to fit my very long name (with all those >>wonderful initials after it) onto a little badge. He did a great job! >> >>I'm extremely glad the wait is over and congratulate all other fellow new >>IBCLC LACTNETTERS! >> >>Donna Zitzelberger RN BSN IBCLC (and proud of it) !!! >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:40:11 +0000 >>From: Patricia Young <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Karen - hair dye, etc. >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>I hope Dr. Tom can enlighten us on hair dye and perms. I've heard lots of >>"new wives" tales about perms not taking etc. during pg and BF. One that >>alarmed me the most was a mom in my group who swore that after her perm, her >>milk tasted like the perm smelled. Which makes sense when you think about >>the skin area the head offers for absorption into the system. (She pumped >>and dumped for a while!) Same idea would apply to hair dye, which has some >>nasty ingredients. Hope someone can enlighten us. >>Pat Young in SNJ, USA >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 07:57:25 EST >>From: Barbara Berges <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Re: LACTNET: LACTNET Digest 26 Oct 1996 >> >>In defense of Jane Seymour, she may not even know that the "bottle" shots >>were included in the add, or that they were even done. If you notice, >>her face is not shown in the bottle segments. They could have shot them >>with another actress and other babies. Maybe the producers, directors >>or whoever decided they needed to "spice it up" and added the shots to >>the final version long after Jane's segments were shot. It is possible!!! >> >>Barb Berges, RN, IBCLC >>Rochester, New York >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:31:18 -0500 >>From: "Linda J. Smith, BSE, FACCE, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Re: breastfeeding cards >> >>TO: UNICEF Media >> >>I received your catalog of Christmas cards, and was very dismayed to find not >>even ONE card with Mary breastfeeding baby Jesus. This, from an agency that >>supposedly supports breastfeeding? Please find one or more depicting >>breastfeeding and add it (them) to your collection. >> >>Linda Smith, BSE, FACCE, IBCLC >>Bright Future Lactation Resource Centre >>6540 Cedarview Ct >>Dayton OH 45459 >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:34:18 GMT >>From: "Nan Jolly MD, LLL" <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Vomiting & Oestrogen >> >>Oestrogen levels are generally low just before a period; they are highest at >>ovulation, then after a dip, rise about a week later to a lower peak, and fall >>again at the period. So surely it wasn't that that caused the baby to vomit? >>Perhaps PMT in mom led to anxiety and nausea in baby??? >> >>>From Nan Jolly M.B. B.Ch. LLL Leader. >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:58:20 -0500 >>From: "Linda J. Smith" <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Re: Congratulations to new IBCLCs >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>Congratulations to all the new IBCLC's out there! >> >>Your hard work and patience with mothers and babies has resulted in your >WONDERFUL accomplishment! Hope to meet you ALL one day! >> >>Linda Smith, private practice, Dayton OH >>[log in to unmask] (this address is now working - please use instead of >[log in to unmask]) >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:01:18 +0100 >>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: "this day sucked" >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>>(And I still drive home muttering,"This day sucked".)_ >> >>I once knew an "aggressive non-nurser" whose father finally perched her on >>his knee at 5 weeks and told her, "Look, sweetie, the whole world sucks. >>There's no reason you can't." Within days, she became a nursing baby. >> >>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY USA >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:01:22 +0100 >>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: low bone density >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>I'll be talking tomorrow night w/ a woman who's been advised to wean her 8 >>mo old because of her own low bone density. >> >>She first became aware of the condition about 5 years ago. At this point, >>she has "the bones of a 70 year old woman," and her bone density has >>decreased dramatically over the past year. >> >>She has weaned the baby to 2 nursings per day, very reluctantly. >> >>What questions should I be asking? (What test numbers are pertinent? She >>says she's had lots of tests and can offer lots of numbers.) What studies >>do you know of that might support/refute the need to wean in her >>circumstances? I'm assuming that, at worst, she will be able to retain >>those 2 nursings/day. Am I right? >> >>How nice to be able to ask you all ahead of time, instead of after the fact! >> >>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY USA >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:01:37 +0100 >>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: calcitonin >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>The mother with low bone density will be taking calcitonin. Any info on it? >> >>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY USA >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:49:31 -0500 >>From: Dave and Lisa Logan <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: contrast medium-pump & dump? >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Hello everyone and congratulations to all who passed the IBCLE!! I need to >>tap into your expert minds once >>again :). I just received a call from the hospital where I work about a mom >>who is nursing a three month old. >>This lady is scheduled for an endoscopy on Monday and an exploratory >>laparoscopy on Tuesday due to suspected >>gall bladder disease. The RN who called me said that the mother was told she >>needed to pump and dump her milk because of the contrast medium being used. >>Unfortunately no one seems to know what type of medium is to be used. All I >>have is the info presented in my old med-surg text which describes a >>cholecystogram being done to diagnose this problem which is different from >>an endo or lap. Has anybody worked with a mom with gall bladder disease? Are >>most contrast media (obviously not radioactive) safe with breastfeeding? I`m >>sorry I don`t have more details, but any advice would be helpful! >> >>TIA, Lisa Logan RNC,IBCLC >>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:05:32 +1000 >>From: Oscar <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Printing out >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Have you tried printing something out, only to find that it would print a >>line, and then the end couple of words on the next line, then it wouln't >>print out anything, leaving a blank after the couple of words, and carry on >>the next line, doing the same thing for the rest of the document? We, my >>mother and I, have been printing things out on Lactnet for a couple of >>months, and we would find this happen. What we have been doing is cutting >>and pasting the bits out of the posts, into notepad, a trick I showed my >>mother. Today we tried printing something out, and it didn't do what is >>described above. It just printed out normally. Well, I figured out (due to >>some of the other circumstances as well) that this was because the person >>who typed that document didn't press the return when they were at the end of >>the line, and kept on typing through, letting the programm insert its own >>line breaks. What happens when you do this also, is that you can view the >>typed document on any sized window, and it will 'word wrap' the document so >>that you can still read it in its wholness. So, if you are ever typeing >>something out, make sure that you don't use the return key to end a line, >>just keep typing and the program will automatically enter the text on to the >>next line for you. If you do it, you will see what I mean. >> >>Hope to see you on the Lactnet. >> >>Ian and Mrs A Stolz >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 22:15:46 EST >>From: Regina C Lockyer <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: about those exam results >> >>I've thanked my local people. >>Kathleen Auerbach and Carol Ryan - High five sister women! >>Regina Lockyer CCE IBCLC >>Yes! >>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 20:58:47 -0800 >>From: Star & Glenn Siegfried <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Re: IBCLC >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>I guess I will also stand up for roll call. >>I PASSED..................... happiness >>thanks for allowing me this moment. >>Star Siegfried, R.N.,B.A., IBCLC >> >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:29:31 +0000 >From: Ilene Fabisch <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Passing IBCLC >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Just wanted to wish my co-leader and good friend CONGRATULATIONS on >passing her cert.exam. We all knew she could do it! >-- >Warmllly, Ilene >Please come to my "mall" >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4558 >"Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, >but the realization of how much you already have! >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:31:21 +0000 >From: Ilene Fabisch <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: OPPS! >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >OPPS! I forgot to mention her name (HA!) It is Charlene Phillips of >Brockton, MA. So now we all have a local lactation consultant to refer >difficult cases to! >-- >Warmllly, Ilene >Please come to my "mall" >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4558 >"Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, >but the realization of how much you already have! >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:59:22 -0500 >From: Jim & Pardee Hinson <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: npo before circ >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I work at circ. central. > >What are your policies regarding these unfortunate boys who are barely born >and then rushed off to the knife? Are they allowed to BF before the ordeal >or are they sent hungry? We are allowing BF boys to BF before circ if the >nurse and if the doc of the hour remembers that colostrum is not the same as >commercial baby milk. The bottle babes are out of luck as they are not >allowed to feed for some time before the surgery. > >I would love to see samples of policies relating to BF boys breastfeeding >prior to and directly after the surgery. We do not have an official, in >writing, policy. > >Thank you all. > >Pardee Hinson, MPH, IBCLC >Mercy Lactation Center >10628 Park Rd >Charlotte, NC 28210 >[log in to unmask] >Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:01:59 -0500 >From: "Patricia B. Drazin, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: yeast > > i have an eighteen month old who has contracted oral candidiasis... she is >totally unwilling to nurse. > > onset was friday,. diag and reatment as of sat a.m... nystatin for baby >and gynelotramin for mom. mom is pumping to maintain supply. > > as of sun p.m. baby will not nurse... > > Any Suggestions? > > Thank you, > > patricia > International Pediatric Chat Julius Edlavitch M.D. from Minnnnnnesota ********************************************************************** [log in to unmask] International Pediatric Chat ***www.pedschat.org*** "BABY FRIENDLY ORGANIZATION" "What wisdom can you have that is greater than kindness"