I may have posted this before but it bears repeating On days when things seem really bad--I always remember something Kittie Frantz said to me after a mom I was working with quit "Always remember...her failure is not YOUR failure." All we can do is offer suggestions, help, support, etc... What the mom chooses to do with that information is HER CHOICE, not ours. Nothing is more fustrating than to work several hours or days with a Bfing problem and the mom quits or worse yet---- doesn't follow through. Marie Davis in hot, smoggy Moreno Valley, CA