> > Ok I'm going to go through this one time and I'm not going to > > furnish any papers to prove that I'm not lying. > > Well, I don't know why anyone would think you were lying. I don't. > appreciate your taking the time to explain what you know and what > you have heard for our benefit. There should have been a 'I' before the word 'appreciate'. It must have gotten lost in editing. If one doesn't notice the period after 'don't', one might mistake the meaning of the post. In fact it might seem to say exactly the opposite of what I meant. I apologise if anyone misunderstood. What I was saying was that I *do* appreciate Frank's taking the time to explain techniques that are not yet mainstream. Many of us do not have the time, training, resources, or nature to do experiments ourselves, or to assess the meaning of the results. The details of what beekeepers may try are very interesting, even if the results are not yet substantiated by our researchers. There doesn't seem to be any serious question of the legality of placing vegetable oil in beehives, so I can't think why anyone would object to discussing this in detail. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK RR#1, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Internet:[log in to unmask] & [log in to unmask] Honey. Bees, & Art <http://www.internode.net/~allend/>