It has occured to me that many on the list might like to know that: I have available for for sale a complete set of ten machines that can make 250 dovetailed boxes and 2,500 frames (standard or medium) or more per day . Reply to me personally for details if interested. I guess I really should get a separate _bee ads only_ list going. Lately things are really changing and a lot of new pages are going up and many ISPs are undergoing change, I've had problems finding an ISP that runs majordomo or LISTSERV for a reasonable price and offers certainty of continuous service, so if anyone has any ideas...