Lesly, I've seen several babies with they type on tongue you described, I find it helps to have mom get 2nd opin from ENT or Oral Surgeon or pedodontist. Have have some get 3 opin's before they get help. Anther thought is checking baby's motor skill, etc. & if you notice anything questionable, refer the mother to an OT (Occupational Therapist). I've had 3 clients this year that have needed OT to overcome various probs - all 3 ended up w/ a tortocollis diagnosis, and had presented w/ FTT, slow gain, poor suck, etc. 1 Mom weaned after ret/work & a family crisis, but other 2 are like miracle stories! I would like to dialogue with others who have used OT in conjunction to LC, and gently sharing w/ OT that unlike they've been taught, teaching a baby to suck a bottle does not teach them to suck at the breast. Any OT or PT college instructors out there? Kathe C KatCatLC