With reference to the situation Jay described where a baby had unusual tongue movements - I recently helped a mother whose baby appeared to have a short tongue. When he cried the tip of his tongue was always close to the alveolar ridge. The mother had blood blisters on the tips of her nipples at three days post partum. I more than half expected to see a short frenulum, but the underside of the baby's tongue appeared to have a fleshy band. When sucking on a finger the baby would cup the finger with his tongue, but not extend his tongue very far forward in his mouth. I went to the pediatrician with this mother. He said that this was an "unusual", but not an "abnormal" tongue. His only reccommendation was to limit time at the breast! What was helpful to this mother, particularly in the early days of engorgement, was to express milk before nursing in order to make it easier for the baby to latch on as effectively as possible. By one week the blisters had healed, but nipples were still sore. It seems that this may be one of those situations that reslove themselves as the baby grows. Any other suggestions anyone? Happy Thanksgiving to all you Americans. We're going to New York City to celebrate with some other Brits. Lesley Robinson, IBCLC, LLL Leader Corning, NY