Maybe we ought to go back to the original description of the purpose of BEE-L I have this as it appears on Adam's FAQ "BEE-L is for the discusison of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees" I haven't seen much of that lately, which is why several of my counterparts are quietly signing-off, and why I am contemplating doing the same. Thanks Jerry Bromenshenk The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812