Jan--amen. No disagreement from me on whether LLL's "battle tactics" have made a significant impact on the movement towards a bf norm. I was mostly responding to the notion that because LLL opts NOT to go gungho on political activism that they are somehow remiss in their duties. Personally, I think the one-on-one approach is a very effective way of changing things. It is not as showy and obvious as other approaches, but it runs less risk of alienating folks by being labeled fanatical, radical, etc. Thanks for setting the record straight--I think we are saying the same thing, but you picked up on my peculiar way of saying it!!! I suspect if anybody had told LLL's 7 founders 30++ years ago what the organization would be today, they would have had a good laugh and then called for psychiatric help!! Just out of curiousity, where do such groups as Nursing Mothers of Australia and other lay breastfeeding counselling organizations stand on the political activism front? Also, do these other groups encompass parenting philosophy as well? One last point about LLL and LLL Leaders. We are all VOLUNTEERS with children and limited time. Activism requires a lot of time and energy and I suspect that most LLL Leaders would not have time to handle all they do mother-to-mother AND take on lobbying, etc. Melissa Vickers, IBCLC and LLLL [log in to unmask]