Nancy, I will find the name of the speaker and get back to the group on that but meanwhile I just wanted to clarify the following point. We were discussing the idea of taking expressed mother's milk, letting it settle out so the cream rises, and removing the cream portion in order to feed the baby a higher fat product. This is the situation where he said immunologic factors would remain behind in the skim portion of the milk. Hind milk pumped into a separate container was not what we were discussing. Carla