Kathleen and all, Since all of the peds in my community have traditionally opposed clipping frenulums, another LC and I recruited an oral surgeon. This worked well. Meanwhile, after the attending ped saw what a difference it made and reviewed my old JHL issue covering the topic, he decided that "next time maybe I'll do it". Since then (we haven't had a next time need yet) he has brought up this possibility to a couple of moms! Sometimes going elsewhere and proving the efficacy of the procedure can get the ball rolling where it should be. -Lisa ****************************************************************************** Lisa A. Marasco, IBCLC / [log in to unmask] International Board Certified Lactation Consultant / [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************************