> Subj: Re: Beenet Europe address change > Read: NO Status: RECEIVER ONLY > dear Bee-L friends, > A change in address has occurred for the European Beenet > The old address ( [log in to unmask]) > is NO LONGER VALID, since routing & gating of our > email via fidonet has been interrupted by a money hungry > member of fidonet Holland. We are exploring possibilities > to get connected again, and in the meantime I shall be using > the address in the signature below( courtesy of a dutch government > organization) > sincerely, Hugo > -- \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp > ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- > | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | > |w. [log in to unmask] | mail : the Bee bbs | > | PLEASE MARK YOUR REPLY CLEARLY WITH: | P.O. BOX 51008 | > | 'To Hugo Veerkamp' | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | > |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | > | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | > | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wilhelm Bos E-mail: [log in to unmask] > TNO Voeding > Afd. Bioprocessing en Biomonitoring > Utrechtseweg 48 Fax: 03404-54186 > 3704 HE Zeist Tel: 03404-44977 My comments: Access to the internet has become a very commercial activity here in europe. Official access for private persons here in Finland start at approximately 100 USD a month plus an extra per minute fee. If you wish to subscribe to a conference like BEE-L it's an extra 50 USD per month per conference. At least it's down from last year, then it was 450 USD. The reason I say "official" is because several BBS systems, mostly run by students who have hooked up with their schools host computers to provide their users with internet access at a more reasonable fee, are providing "un-official access". The terms "official" and "un-official" are from a conversation I had a few weeks ago with a representative of the telephone company here, during a presentation they where giving on their internet and www service. I asked him how they planned to compete with the less expensive competition. His answer was "There won't be any. These people who are currently abusing their their privileges will be found and shut down". So it's not surprising to look at a subscriber list such as the BEE-L list, and see that most addresses, outside the US, Canada and England, reference government and university servers. How ever the information generated by these internet beekeeping areas is considered so enlightening and informative that to restrict it to only a few (450 "rich :-)" subscribers) would be (in my opinion) a shame. In an effort to get these ideas, information and accumulated knowledge to the people who have the greatest use of it, the average Beekeeper. Although I have yet to meet a beekeeper who considered himself average :-)). BeeNet (Europe) maintains read only (some day I hope read/write) BEE-L, sci.ag.beekeeping and bombus conference areas. With the thankful permission of the internet area hosts. Who sponcers BEENET ?? Mainly the BeeNet Sysops. Durk Ellison OH2ZAS BeeNet: 240:2358/100 email: [log in to unmask]