In message <[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] buffalo.edu writes: > As regards the comments that hives can be moved about a yard within 24 > hours, not true. A few years ago I had some observation hives that flew > out a window and dive-bombed the nearby tennis court. No real problem, > the bees were just getting their bearings, but I got complaints. So, I > took the observation hives out of the east window on the second floor, > moved them several miles away for 2 weeks, then brought them back to the > original building and placed them in a 3rd story, west facing window. > > Well, by noon there were several hundred foragers outside the east > window, trying to get in where the hives had been 2 weeks before. > > Jerry Bromenshenk > [log in to unmask] > The University of Montana > > Hi Jerry, If any of the following is inappropriate I appologise, I've been on holiday (vacation). I've heard this story before with even longer times (over three weeks). Bees (like most of us) have different length memories for different things and it seems that home is pretty important to them. I have heard it suggested that individual bees never forget their original home so one must wait about six weeks (summer) until the older bees have died. They _do_ learn though, so it may be that if their hive moves a couple of feet they will learn the new place and 'overwrite' their memory of the old place because the two sites are close together and everything else is familiar to them (my hypothesis -- anyone any experience?). Even if they don't, they will normally find the new hive ok because it's nearby and they will want to go somewhere. My guess is that they travel on 'autopilot' the same as we do when we drive to work -- we get there ok but don't remember much about the journey. If I moved home to near where I lived a while ago would I make a mistake like their's whilst on auto? (well, probably not, but I guess you'll follow my thinking) The memory 'rules' they use for forage appear to allow this because bees will visit a place (and a time of day) for forage whilst it yields, but will gradually forget over a week or two when the yield stops. I pretty sure though that this memory is shorter term than the 'home' memory. Regards, -- Gordon Scott [log in to unmask] 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter [log in to unmask] ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK Cricket - the English National rain dance.