Bee venom (dried I would expect) and venom collecting devices were advertised as available from Michael Simics Apitronic Services #204, 1331 - 15 Ave S.W. Calgary, Alberta T3C 0X8 Tel: 403 541-1877 Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET [log in to unmask]