--- You wrote: > One final note: The reason you may see more bumbles than honey bees in a particular flower species is (at least I think I heard this somewhere) that some flowers are inaccessible to honey bees, while bumble bees can forage in these same plants with no problem. I think I heard that red clover was more accessible to honey bees than say white clovers. This may be totally wrong, don't even ask where I heard it as I can't recall. But I was just wondering if folks had heard similar stories and if anyone know of a clover (or similar green manure crop) that was attractive and that honey bees could use (if the ladies choose to of course). --- end of quoted material --- Jeff, i sympathize with the desire to have some agreeable to the bees. you feel like you gotta do something to the piece; why not seed it for the bees? red clover is a no-no for honeybees; sweet white or yellow or alsike is better. honeybees' tongues are not long enough to reach the nectar in red. i selected alsike knowing (more or less) that honeybees would work it. i do believe it more freely reseeds itself than the other clovers. someone correct if i'm outta line here but don't be confused by dutch clover--the short stuff that seems to be in everyone's lawn. there's also ladino clover and i can't remember what its story is vis-a-vis honeybees. by the way, the clover and trefoil i planted are about 18" high at the height of the season. not suited for lawns unlees you relentlessly mow which, of course, kills the bloom. Rick