Jack Thomas at Mann Lake Supply has a labelled TM patty...I know, it costs more and isn't do-it-yourself, but he has put some science into making a uniform product...see article on Mann Lake Supply in August Bee Culture... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tom Sanford Extension Apiculturist University of Florida Mailing Address: Bldg 970, Hull Rd., Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Voice phone 904/392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX 904/392-0190 INTERNET: [log in to unmask] BITNET: MTS@IFASGNV +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++