Ron, You may want to get a catolog from "The Walter T. Kelley Co.,P.O. Box 240, Clarkson, KY 42726-0240 Tel. 502-242-2012 Fax 502-242-4801. They have very competitive pricing, excellent service, and about everything you need for supplies. Have you considered any of the plastic foundations? I have used "Plasticel" for brood foundition with good results. [log in to unmask]