. To me it doesn't really matter precisely why something isn't working - if a mom is ready to give up, the task is to find a solution that saves the breastfeeding relationship and then work on the underlying issues. Does that make sense? Good point, I agree that oxytocin may give mom time to unravel her issues, Pat in SNJ *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome