" The account in the Dave Cushman article you cited is a textbook illustration of the "ideomotor effect" I mentioned before re to how dowsing "works"." I notice the original article on Dave Cushman's site is nothing to do with Dave and was probably written after his death. It's even signed at the bottom by Roger Patterson who now maintains Dave's site. I know Roger well and he has a tremendous understanding of bees' behaviour; mostly obtained by careful observation and experimentation. He can debunk a lot of myths and I have never known him to be wrong although I am still to be convinced by his ley line theories. The snag is he keeps getting positive results when demonstrating his dowsing skill. His latest apparent success was when he identified some stones on my land as a 1200 year old grave. An archaeologist later said he was wrong. He thought Roger's date was right but suggested it was 3 graves rather than one. Now there is a formal dig being carried out and the current team of experts think it could be a single high status grave but they will be spending some more weeks preparing the site before actually lifting the cap stones and confirming anything. In a way I am almost dreading Roger being proved right on this because it could undermine just about everything I believe in. Steve Rose, North Wales *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html