>Randy you criticize me correctly. Christina, I do not mean to criticize you personally, and perhaps should not have addressed you by name. I know that you mean well, and respect your scientific knowledge and opinions. The points that I've been trying to make are that since this is supposed to be an "informed discussion" group, that those posting should not state as facts things that they have not first checked for supporting evidence. If one wishes to discuss a paper, it's fine for lurkers to ask questions, but no one should post conclusions unless they have actually thoroughly reviewed the study. And I find personal criticisms to be distasteful. It didn't help when you goaded me by telling me that I should read the paper rather than just looking at the graphs, or when you tell me that queenless colonies don't requeen after 90 days. Those gratuitous sorts of insults don't play well when I'm staying up late after exhausting days to try to keep the informed discussion on track. (I'll steer clear of others' recent baiting, trolling, and dismissive insults at this time). >I am bad with supplemental files in "Science" ...I like the way most papers are published, and have been published for most of a century...with all the materials and methods right there in the paper, and most of the data too. I'm in complete agreement with you on this. The current travesty is that first we hear the spin on the press release of a study by others with vested interests, then see the abstract put on line, and then find the actual paper behind a paywall, and now in the journal Science, find the meat of the study published separately as "supplemental data." This is science at its worst. Christina, I encourage you to continue to discuss things, as I value your knowledge of neurobiology, as well as your long experience in science. Our discussions should not be about winning points or keeping score, but rather to try to better our understanding of the science of beekeeping. -- Randy Oliver Grass Valley, CA www.ScientificBeekeeping.com *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html