Okay,, so whats the measurement set then? Honey? Just survival?? Splits or swarms?? . We currently lack such a clear data set. I've got a good idea of how it may turn out, based upon the many anecdotal reports I receive. I feel that we would all benefit from such systematic ground truthing. Similar studies in Europe have been enlightening. Any studies that are out to look at and see?? I agree we do not have any clear data such as that. Still not quite seeing it work but open... Whats the end goal? To the pracitical beek? Just a canary in the coal mine, or publishing info on BMP in their areas?? Charles *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html