That may be so. However, we needn't follow every technique used in dairy milking over the centuries and millenia. A few days ago I was looking at an article (didn’t note the source) on the earliest pre-literacy evidence in North Africa of using cattle for their milk, not just as meat. Some of the rock art showed a technique that was known to be used in traditional cultures much later, including in living memory - lifting the cow's tail and either blowing into her vagina or inserting a hand. Yes, really! That said, yes, there are lessons we can learn from the dairy sources. Virginia In Brisbane, QLD, Aust -----Original Message----- From: Lactation Information and Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pat Young Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2014 12:44 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Interesting article of the day... Feeding during milking enhances milking-related oxytocin secretion and milk production in dairy cows whereas food deprivation decreases it. K. Svennersten et all, Acta Physiol Scand 1995, 153, 309-310. Interesting food for thought, how might this relate to the lactating woman? who we always tell to get a drink when she sits down to nurse. Maybe we need to tell her to have a snack! Pat in SNJ, who doesn't know whether or not to keep this animal study :-( *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome