In Ellen's post, this sentence jumped out at me: <Invariably, the Mom chooses an upright position (or what I call an anti-gravity position). In most cases to get a deep latch in an anti-gravity position, Mom does need to bring the baby to the breast. > I think I have always considered an "anti-gravity position" as one where the mother is laid back to a sufficient degree to let the force of gravity help avoid or overcome a problem. How do others interpret the term "anti-gravity position"? I suppose it depends on what entity one hopes can be positively or negatively effected by the directional force of gravity: 1) the direction and speed of fluid movement (such as milk in OAMER or infant swallowing problems, or excess interstitial fluid moving toward the nipple-areolar complex during severe breast edema) 2) versus using the weight of the baby's head, especially in a newborn learning to latch. In either situation, my use of the term involves some degree of laid back position, not upright. If this term needs defining when I use it, I will have to re-think my use of it. Maybe I'll need to use a different term or describe more clearly the effect I'm trying to gain?? I do describe and explain the effects I'm trying to gain when I talk to mothers, but talking to other HCP's, might they be interpreting the term differently from me?? Ah, yes, Diane - trying to "Watch My Language!!!!" Always gotta be thinking how others may be going to interpret what I say. K. Jean Cotterman RNC-E, IBCLC WIC Volunteer LC Dayton OH *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome