Ellen writes: I repeat that it is not only nurses who have adopted this harsh way of latching the baby on - there are lots of LCs and IBCLC's who also recommend it. As Diane W always says - it’s a matter of language - and we are not really the ones to latch the baby on. It is the baby's job to do the latching. We just have to enable him to do it the best he can - and interfere as little as possible with his natural ability to do this. " Hello again, all, Ellen thanks for your feedback. After reading the BF Report Card, and finding out that we in NY are zero for five on those 5 indicators, I guess it's helpful to know others are seeing the same issue. At our recent NYLCA meeting/workshop, Dr. Beebe talked about the "agency" of a baby ( in another context but I am nothing if not tangential in my shifting of knowledge into ever new applications, probably why I get into so much trouble...:). As you said, the baby is the agent of latching his/herself on to mom's breast. We think, from before, and even so many now, that it is mom's job to latch the baby on, IBCLCs are coming over to "fix the latch" ( yes Kathy Lilleskov I hear you cringing/screaming from here...:), etc. We are controllers, not watchers, facilitators, responders, gentle guiders. It's, as Diane W said, our language that can chip away at the ugly building we call MOM MAKES BABY BREASTFEED, and building up something more like "here is how we move into a lovely breastfeeding relationship between a mother and her breastfeeding baby who gets so many needs met during one 'simple' activity".... Peace, Judy Judy LeVan Fram, PT, IBCLC, LLLL Brooklyn, NY, USA [log in to unmask] *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome