>Did you see these any of these colonies abscond The last one >Were there any emergency cells started by the remaining bees Yes, in the ones not barren (barren: no brood, lots of honey and pollen) >I remember the panic during that year. This was 2 months before that >After several detailed inspections by some more knowledge'd than I >in beekeeping, it was determined not to be CCD related. Details please, I try to keep an open mind The usual other stressor said to be nosema But my bees have been tested 4 or 5 times and all tests have been zero nosema I suppose VD is a stressor as well as a vector? Another symptom is very bad smelling feces, if the guts are damaged then this is not suprising. Rather like high feed silage (dairy cows) but much worse dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm