> colonies do not fail or succeed based on singular reasons. Oh I wish, I wish But there is another reason, I am a poor BK If you ignore sick bees for months, then the result is predictable 4+ months later, early November, of 15+2, 4+1 had left, presently 5+2 absconds (hives+nucs) Most left a full super or more. There was some robbing 1 nuc and 1 hive had barren brood, all the rest had typical fall ccd brood, mostly coloured pupae to emergent. Mostly 1000+ (dead brood) per hive, over 5-6 frames One absconded while I was there, I did not witness it, it happened over 2 days but this may have been the end (did not inspect, didn't have lit smoker, seemed to have 3 or more seams, then empty except for dead brood) Later the other nuc went, also left brood I took photos, if anyone is interested, off list Samples too, I do not recommend this 5 years now, I would have hoped for better Dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm