Hi Stan, I use a modified swarm box (free flying) starter/finisher--leaving the breeder queen in the bottom box. I graft 3 bars of 17 cells in the starter, then move down to the finisher the next day. Both are packed to the gills with young bees--shaken from other hives if necessary. Under good conditions, the finished cells contain excess jelly after the queen larvae have pupated, so no apparent lack of care. Randy Oliver Grass Valley, CA www.ScientificBeekeeping.com *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm