Mike S. wrote, "What most beekeepers do when using wax foundation, even wired, is to cross wire the foundation also. I got into the habit of cross-wiring all my frames, though on brood frames, just the middle two holes. I like the new patented Kelley frames, but without cross wires, they will bow and warp--and support pins in the end have no affect of this. Yes, it's an extra step, but sometimes doing it right the first time prevents having to do it again. I wire all my frames, even those not originally destined to be extracted. Grant Jackson, MO *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm