I think TT is one more "canary in the mine" that we had better pay attention to. We have done so much damage to the external terrain (our environment ) and internal terrain (maternal gut) that we are seeing the epigenetic outcome right before our eyes. Jennifer Tow, IBCLC, France Intuitive Parenting Network, LLC Thank you Jennifer for saying this. I am seeing more and more tongue ties these past couple years - and by more I mean a staggering number of more! In fact, one of my local colleagues asked me just this past week if she was imagining things as she is also seeing a staggering increase in tongue ties - and honestly, I don't think it is just that we are better at finding them. As well as seeing more tongue ties, I am also seeing much more complicated tongue ties. I will be trying to write this case up (not sure how to do that but will ask a couple friends) but recently I have been working with a dyad where baby was not only tongue tied, but also had severely tight muscles. The hyoglossal muscle under the tongue (among others) was very tight. Baby was clipped in the hosp (poorly done). I saw her at 4 days and recommended another clipping by a Doc who does a fabulous job as well as referred her to my Pediatric Bowen Therapist (Judy) who kicks butt over any other practitioner I have been able to find in my area. By 9 wks baby had needed to be re-clipped 2 more times (by my evaluations which included suck assessments as well as sweeping under the tongue) which bothered me tremendously as the Doc is exceptionally good at frenotomies. It seemed that each time baby went to the Ped. Bowen Therapist and had those muscles released more frenulum showed itself. She was finally able to get a bit of a milk transfer...but not much. When I saw them at 10 wks, I mused to the mom, "I wonder if we can get Judy and the Doc together and tag team the baby - Judy releases the muscles and Doc reclips that frenulum that seems to be never-ending?" Well, mom suggested it to Judy (who was doubtful) but Judy set it up with the Doc. It was a miserable situation for all - BUT - the frenulum was finally clipped all the way and at 11 wks now, baby is fully capable of getting full feedings at breast and does so very happily! And as luck would have it, I have another baby who just came to me who looks to be in the same situation...sigh. But at least we now have an idea as to how to potentially proceed... The complexity of some of these cases is astounding. Judy says she will never doubt me again... :) Warmly, Jaye Jaye Simpson, IBCLC, CIIM Breastfeeding Network Sacramento, CA www.breastfeedingnetwork.net *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome